As opposed to Obama or Biden? :rolleyes:

Obviously.

Nah. The narrowmindedness is all on the anti-Palin side. Were you not a dreadful troglodyte you might have perceived that. Leftism makes you blind.

To a rhetorical question, however good and fucking? :3eye:

And rightism makes you stupid.

No wonder politics is so messy.

yes.

why not? you deal in rhetoric *all* the time, now you're shy?

as i said, a substative answer to this substantive question is probably not coming soon. What did you used to call that kind of double standard? Oh yeah... moral equivalence.

If I represent Leftism then you are incorrect. But then if you represent Rightism, I have nothing to worry about.

In truth, I'm a fool for even replying. But I think that is down to me as a person, regardless of social class, political ideology, genetic makeup or upbringing.

Rising to a bait that obvious must be a sign of evolution.
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NY Times 7/31/10
Bold for emphasis added by me.

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For me, this action by the ADL is short sighted, and says "Don't discriminate against us, but do discriminate against them"
It's another example of "puking on your own reputation".

Let's pass a simple law. All mosques and synagogues must be adjacent buildings - or close their doors. No more problems. Best way to deal with the hate than causes this thread to exist.

Let them build it... then we can crash a plane into it.

Is that supposed to be funny... I think, NOT

No, not at all.

Such actions are how extremist promote more hate and gain power. He wasn't joking. Extremists wish for such events.

Given the statements you said about my wife I would fully support a plane crashing into your house as well.

Not to change the subject from the same old broken records, but does anyone really know where the money to build this is coming from? I've read and heard different things.

Considering the closed method of money transfer in the Islamic world I am sure it would be difficult to follow the money trail. Sort of like following the money trail of a Synagogue, the donors are hidden.

One can only hope you're a pilot. :right:

Even bringing up something tw said about a zillion years ago didn't divert this post from being one of the most hateful things I've ever read, and not just toward the muslims: it was quite disrespectful to 9/11 survivors as well. I was going to ignore the ugliness, but hey, you know me.

I think merc just likes to *shock* us. :shocking:

Keep up the good work, you good man deep down inside.

Agreed, they are in fact having a complete network system to transfer even a single penny according to one article I read some time ago. It will be more like trying to find sand in sand...........until/unless there is a sabotage.

I believe Mayor Bloomberg made a heroic statement here....

Bold is mine.

Mayor Bloomberg is right, but I wish those Muslims would consider that going against popular sentiment doesn't help their cause much. If the majority are offended, they are right to express their opposition.

The telling thing is, there might be protests, but there won't be murders and bombs and such, as there would be in certain other countries... I think it'll be a symbol of tolerance, though I count myself as one who is offended by it at the same time.

Hopefully.

So what would you say had bin Laden been a computer scientist? Would you ban all computer stores from lower Manhattan?

11 September was not about Islam. It was 100% about bin Laden and his organization - Al Qaeda. Nothing more. You should only be offended by one thing. The American president all but protected bin Laden. Even disbanned Alec Station. Let bin Laden run free. Killed 4000 good American soldiers conducting war on a mythical enemy - while letting bin Laden run free.

If anything should offend you, it is George Jr's picture anywhere on the island of Manhattan.

Every light was flashing red. He even had a memo on his desk warning of the threat. And he did nothing – both before and after 11 September. That it is THE most offensive. He even let bin Laden run free. Then his political extremist propaganda machine invents and blames Islamofascism. That is also far more offensive.

Bin Laden reportedly died in the early 2000's. Apparently from some heart or kidney issue.

Now that they have Park Place, if they get Boardwalk we'll really be screwed.

:lol:

UT, you know when the Monopoly Board Bombers start, you're gonna be hauled in for questioning, right?

Except isn't the US version based in Atlantic City or something?
Ours is based in London, and while it misses obvious targets (excuse the language) like Downing Street, it's would certainly close down the rest of London. Kings Cross is one of the stations for example. Although oddly - no-one seems to agree where the Angel Islington actually is. Perhaps a joke by the makers - I certainly had a username "Islington" for a while, because obviously I am an angel. Until people from North London started to make assumptions. Never trust a North Londoner. Sez my Dad.

I had not thought of the international implications!

Yes, the original is based on street names in A.C.

Ever read or see "Neverwhere"? A lot of old tube stations make appearances.

SO the Imam of this place is totally anti-american and blame the US for 9/11. Nice....


And the people of NYC should support him because?

This guy frigging nails it...

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/pa...surprised.html

Is there an argument against the project that isn't rooted in a fairly fundamental discomfort with Islam?

Not only is it going to be a fairly architecturally ambiguous project (minaret-free, as it were), the mosque is actually going to be fairly far, in an urban sense, from ground zero.

I'm posting this because I feel exactly the same about the Anti Defamation League and it's recent decision about the Mosque...

Fareed Zakaria's Letter to the ADL

I wonder how long it will take Fareed to admit his.

???

You know something about him that I should know ?

Wow. Saudis. UN. IslamoNazis. German Nazis. The Koran. All have conspired in an axis of evil to destroy America. Pat Condell told us - it must be true.

Pat Condell forgot to dress in his white 'glory suit', ignite a cross, and salute the Imperial Wizard before recording a tirade endorsed by TheMercenary. Wow. One could not ask for a more racist hate speech. The only word he forgot to use to describe Muslims was nigger.

As an extremist, he even 'proved' the UN has conspired with Islam to destroy America.

Why are Islam and 11 Sept related? The enemy is bin Laden and Al Qaeda. A terrorist organization based in hate. Why are so many upset? Because wackos have successfully got so many blaming Islam for 11 Sept. Same logic from George Jr also blamed Saddam so that George Jr could waste the lives of 4000 American soldiers.

At what point does everyone associate 11 September with real enemies? bin Laden. Wackos have so many blaming Islam for 11 September. Wackos, who all but protected bin Laden and who gain power by promoting hate, need us to hate Muslims. And so many oblige.

Wackos have again spun us into lying to ourselves. 11 Sept is about bin Laden; not about Islam. And bin Laden is not building a mosque.

Better is to have everyone ask the only relevant question when 11 September is mentioned. When do we get bin Laden? Wackos hope you never ask that question. Wackos gain power through hate; by blaming Muslims. By endorsing Pat Condell's bigotry.

Yeah, 9-11 was bin Laden's doing, but there were plenty of radical Muslims in the middle east and Indonesia that didn't like us, because of our support for Israel. This gave bin Laden a large pool to recruit from, and funding too.
Then invading Iraq gave them the chance to turn to moderate Muslims and say, see, see, I told you so, which really fucked things up.

Read the story of Abd el-Kader, whom Elkader, Iowa, was named after... the only Arab to be so honored.

via

But of course. I think I've bought everything ever published by Neil Gaiman, many more than once (as presents). I've been keeping him in the gothic style to which he has become accustomed for years now.

But, yes, I had completely forgotten about his Angel Islington.
And d'ya know what? I never knew it started as a TV show. When it was released on DVD a while back I avoided it out of principle, assuming it could never be as good as the book! Fool. Next, someone will be telling me the Iain Banks' The Crow Road was worth watching...

Anyway, back to Muslims and mosques an all that.

I'd just as soon talk about Neverwhere as get into another hate fest. Good book. Lil' Pete's English teacher assigned M is for Magic to her class two years back.

Again - Bin Laden reportedly died in the early 2000's. Apparently from some heart or kidney issue.

He reportedly owns Snapple, too.

:lol:

I can also recommend Gaiman's "The Graveyard Book". Mrs. Z got it for her tween students, but I got to read it before it went off to school. I liked the old-fashioned folk-tale feel to the story. The characters were memorable and the plot was well done.

Will check that out.

Careful. Classicman will also quote you as a source.

Quoting oneself was learned from tw.

Inventing lies to promote fear. So necessary for wackos to achieve power. Where are those Saddam WMDs? What does the party line say?

The CIA chief in an interview maybe one year ago said he does not know where bin Laden is. He is probably in Pakistan. And was known to be alive some years ago. As long as bin Laden runs free, wacko extremists must invent his death. Otherwise they must admit why bin Laden runs free. .

Classicman just posted that bin Laden was selling the best thing on earth! Then he deleted it. Did he mean terrorism or Snapple? Terrorism is the best thing on earth for extremists. It promote hate.

Be careful what you tell extremists. They will quote anything that promotes their political agenda.

Sponge Bob is no longer wearing square pant. Bob must be gay. Gays conspired with Saddam to attack the WTC? And bin Laden is dead. More tales from an extremist’s crypt. Amazing the nonsense an extremist will post to promote hate. And to take cheap shots at Obama.

Bin Laden is most likely dead. Why would the head of the CIA not admit that? Think about it. Easy answer.

Completely FALSE! Ask a Mod.
True

Tw spouts:
Which is why this Nazi spouts off the party line of the Obama/Pelosi Cabal. Drink the water scumbag.....

Perhaps you'd have more support if you could link the two issues.

Are you talking about TW, the scumbag who said those things about my wife?

that's enough now

I was talking in general about the position thats been debated about the connection between the 9/11 extremists being the posterboys for islam.

Should there be a mosque there? I don't really like it. If I had my choice, no. But where then does the line get drawn? 10 blocks? 1 mile? 5 miles??? There is no clear answer.

On the other hand there are those that see everything Muslim as bad. I disagree with that point of view as well.

There are those who see all of Islam as bad. I disagree with this too.

There are those who claim that "they" are treating this like a dog marking its territory. Spain is used to support this position. If thats the case ... well I won't go there.
Still others say they are using our laws and freedoms against us and this is a grand conspiracy... uh ok.

If, and its a big if, this mosque is part of or funded by those who perpetrated the 9/11 attack, then I think there should be a clear link drawn and the project refused. I have, as of yet, not seen that link.

I doubt that would ever happen because this is one of the situations where the problem pretty much solves itself.

If the people running the mosque has any legitimate connections with terrorists, the CIA and FBI would (hopefully) be down the their asses instantly. If you run a mosque two blocks from ground zero you basically are painting a very big target on you.

What do photos prove? Really?
Clinton shook Gerry Adams' hand.
Yeah, he was a DEMONCRAT, but he was also an American President. Should we raze Catholic Churches to the ground?

Omagh
Manchester

Manchester again, and Deal