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Gravdigr 06-27-2010 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint (Post 666428)
A strong, well-adjusted person such as myself looks at that image and says "That's life!"

No. No, they don't. That would be a sociopath.

Gravdigr 06-27-2010 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 666269)
I'm too upset at the poor kitty to be mad at xob.

Oh, hell, who's mad? I, myself, assumed IOTD's were supposed to be SFW. Now, I got my ass handed to me for posting a man's naked thigh & ass cheek in the WTF thread. I find this dead cat pic to be FAR FAR FAR FAR more offensive than a Korean man's ass cheek.

That said, IF I were a snake person, instead of the cat-lover that I am, I might be all "Fuck, yeah! Go snake!", but, I ain't, so, I'm all "Godammit, I didn't need to see that!":blackr:

HungLikeJesus 06-27-2010 02:18 PM

I was much more disturbed by the video of the monkey with the pet frog.

squirell nutkin 06-27-2010 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus (Post 666820)
I was much more disturbed by the video of the monkey with the pet frog.

was that another of Shawnee's links?

Flint 06-27-2010 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint (Post 666428)
A strong, well-adjusted person such as myself looks at that image and says "That's life!"

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 666816)
No. No, they don't. That would be a sociopath.

Bullshit. You've never seen a national geographic where the cheetah chases down the gazelle, bites its throat out, and then tears its raw flesh apart and eats it? You're telling me that only a "sociopath" could watch that program objectively??? BULLSHIT. You are dead wrong.

HungLikeJesus 06-27-2010 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by squirell nutkin (Post 666854)
was that another of Shawnee's links?

I don't recall, Senator.

Mayor of Shekou 06-27-2010 08:03 PM

OK, I'm starting to get all riled up over this post. Here I am, hungry as heck, and not one of you has come through with a halfway decent recipe! I mean, come on, think of the opportunity: TWO main ingredients to work with!

classicman 06-27-2010 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by squirell nutkin (Post 666854)
was that another of Shawnee's links?

It was LJ's

HungLikeJesus 06-27-2010 08:43 PM

I've checked all of our books for kitten stuffed snake recipes, but so far nothing.

jinx 06-27-2010 08:46 PM

Couldn't be much different than turducken I would think...

squirell nutkin 06-27-2010 08:47 PM

It's in the one with "Frog a la Peche"

BigV 06-27-2010 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mayor of Shekou (Post 666881)
OK, I'm starting to get all riled up over this post. Here I am, hungry as heck, and not one of you has come through with a halfway decent recipe! I mean, come on, think of the opportunity: TWO main ingredients to work with!

hey buddy.... here's a recipe for you, k?

One man
One woman

Bon appetit!

ps, I prefer mine with somewhat less hair, but to each his own.

Gravdigr 06-28-2010 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint (Post 666863)
Bullshit. You've never seen a national geographic where the cheetah chases down the gazelle, bites its throat out, and then tears its raw flesh apart and eats it? You're telling me that only a "sociopath" could watch that program objectively??? BULLSHIT. You are dead wrong.

I don't have a pet gazelle.

We're talking about household pets, not animals living in the wild.

And I am not wrong. I have a different opinion.

BigV 06-28-2010 04:25 PM

Good point, Gravdigr. I especially like your correct distinction about your opinion.

Spexxvet 06-28-2010 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123 (Post 666343)
Absolutely, as evidenced by the fact that they suck and hate america.

No, that would be vampires and muslims.

lumberjim 06-28-2010 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 666816)
No. No, they don't. That would be a sociopath.

this is you telling Flint he's wrong AND he's a sociopath.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint (Post 666863)
Bullshit. You've never seen a national geographic where the cheetah chases down the gazelle, bites its throat out, and then tears its raw flesh apart and eats it? You're telling me that only a "sociopath" could watch that program objectively??? BULLSHIT. You are dead wrong.

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 667076)
I don't have a pet gazelle.

We're talking about household pets, not animals living in the wild.

edit: In My Opinion.... sorry... almost forgot that part!
And I am not wrong. I have a different opinion.

Flint is refuting that he is a sociopath here.

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Originally Posted by BigV (Post 667096)
Good point, Gravdigr. I especially like your correct distinction about your opinion.

On an unrelated note, this is BigV acting like a cunt as usual.

edit: In My Opinion! almost forgot that bit...

squirell nutkin 06-28-2010 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 667103)
No, that would be vampires and muslims.

OOOH! New film genre! Vampire Muslims. We already have Nazi Zombies, so Vampire Muslims is the next logical step.

SPUCK 06-29-2010 05:07 AM

New movies coming out:
Pride and Prejudice and Zombies
Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter
(seriously!)

stevecrm 06-29-2010 06:36 AM

mi-OWWWWW

Sundae 06-29-2010 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SPUCK (Post 667215)
New movies coming out:
Pride and Prejudice and Zombies

This is one film that I expect to enjoy as much - if not more - than the book.

BigV 06-29-2010 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl (Post 667225)
This is one film that I expect to enjoy as much - if not more - than the book.

Agreed.

And by agreed, I mean an utterly self-evident gross understatement.

BigV 06-29-2010 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dezireless (Post 666488)
snip -- The predator prey relationship predates the concepts of good and evil. :yeldead:

This is one *funny* sentence!!!

Gravdigr 06-29-2010 04:39 PM

Lumberjim:
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this is you telling Flint he's wrong AND he's a sociopath.
You are right. I stand corrected. I apologize Flint.<---This is me saying I was wrong.

Now. This ---> is me saying a person has got to be fucked up in the goddamned head to not be at least somewhat affected by a household pet being shown dead and dangling from the jaws of whatever killed it. Be the pet a cat, dog, or a parakeet (which I hate by the way, but I still will be at least somewhat affected when a pic of one dangling from the jaws of a warthog shows up.) I may not breakdown in tears or start a Save-The-Parakeets foundation, but I ain't gonna lie to myself and say "That's life.":rant:

lumberjim 06-29-2010 05:06 PM

but it IS life.

I wish it was the cat that is STILL eating my trash!

Flint 06-29-2010 05:06 PM

We can either try to shelter ourselves from the reality of life, or we can embrace it fully. And, after all, we really have no choice--this is the world we live in! The Native Americans worshipped the spirits of the animals they consumed...lazy modern man doesn't even stop to consider that this meat was ever part of a living creature. Life IS death, because to LIVE we must EAT. To EAT is to KILL (whether you hide this reality from yourself, or not). And, yes, vegetables are alive too. If you eat the ROOT of a plant you have taken its life in an irreparable way.

Snakes live, snakes eat, snakes kill. Cats live, cats eat, cats kill. Man lives, man eats, man kills. If this bothers you, you are literally having a schizophrenic break with REALITY.

You keep saying "household pet" as if that distinction exempts them from the reality of life. It doesn't! Nor are YOU exempt.

You keep saying what kind of reaction a person should have to a PICTURE of this situation. Well, let me tell you, the time that I found my dog (whom I had literally raised from birth, including bottle feedings and the whole nine yards) dead on the lawn, next to a dead snake, it pretty much cured me of ever having crybaby, Walt Disney type reactions to a ƒucking PHOTOGRAPH of a similar situation. Don't believe me? Look it up--I'm pretty sure I have posted about this before.

When I say "That's life" I MEAN IT goddamnit. THAT. IS. LIFE. If you don't want to accept that then you are choosing to be ignorant. The end.

classicman 06-29-2010 09:04 PM

Uh not to be a wet blanket or anything, but from the cats perspective .... thats death, not life. jussayin

Gravdigr 06-30-2010 12:57 AM

I deny your reality, and substitute my own. (I read that somewheres.)

Adak 06-30-2010 01:27 AM

No doubt that it is our reality, Flint. That reality's effect on us is definitely on a sliding scale, however. No one is going to be strongly shocked by a carrot or head of lettuce, hanging from a constrictor's tight coils.

When it's a pet, it's a lot more affecting, of course. If it were your child, or spouse, the effect would be incredibly strong.

It's a natural reaction to help us remember "snake's coils are deadly", and stay safe.

Inferences of mental health based on the person's sensitivity to that stimuli, are unfounded. As you've shown, that sensitivity will change, depending on their exposure to it.

xoxoxoBruce 06-30-2010 02:45 AM

Awww, reality to harsh?
Is that's what's bothering you Bunkie?
Then have some nice mellow fantacy....

http://cellar.org/2010/tigersnakeman.jpg

SPUCK 06-30-2010 04:53 AM

Um.. yeah.. That brings back fond memories of when that happened to me.

Sundae 06-30-2010 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint (Post 667396)
Well, let me tell you, the time that I found my dog (whom I had literally raised from birth

Does this mean picking it up after it's born?

Pete Zicato 06-30-2010 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint (Post 667396)
When I say "That's life" I MEAN IT goddamnit. THAT. IS. LIFE. If you don't want to accept that then you are choosing to be ignorant. The end.

Well, everything is life, isn't it. Unless a picture is 'shopped, it's life.

Does that mean that there is no picture which you would find repugnant?

BTW, I'm _not_ saying you should or shouldn't find this particular picture repugnant. Just trying to ascertain whether anything pictured would push your buttons and where the line would be for you.

Gravdigr 06-30-2010 02:48 PM

He prolly don't have no buttons. Buttons are for pussies. Prolly.

classicman 06-30-2010 03:21 PM

Flintz got stix not buttons - duh!

xoxoxoBruce 06-30-2010 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete Zicato (Post 667621)
Does that mean that there is no picture which you would find repugnant?

If you (not pete) find this or any other picture repugnant, move on. Don't piss and moan about how you've been personally assaulted... it's NOT about you.

classicman 07-01-2010 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 667791)
It's NOT about you.

Damn right bruce! Its all about the kitty! and sometimes the kitty wins.
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...rattler3-1.jpg

Flint 07-01-2010 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Adak (Post 667500)
No doubt that it is our reality, Flint. That reality's effect on us is definitely on a sliding scale, however. No one is going to be strongly shocked by a carrot or head of lettuce, hanging from a constrictor's tight coils.

When it's a pet, it's a lot more affecting, of course. If it were your child, or spouse, the effect would be incredibly strong.

It's a natural reaction to help us remember "snake's coils are deadly", and stay safe.

Inferences of mental health based on the person's sensitivity to that stimuli, are unfounded. As you've shown, that sensitivity will change, depending on their exposure to it.

Thank you. I see that you have understood the actual issue, and have helped to clarify.

You are correct, a person's sensitivity to stimuli will change depending on their exposure to it. Therefore, it seems that a person has two choices when faced with reality, #1: turn away, and choose to remain sheltered and unable to deal with the real world, or #2: assimilate the new information, embrace it, and advance as a person.

You are correct, I was wrong to state this as a mental health issue. It is actually a maturity issue. A mature person will be able to see an image of a natural death (the kind which occurs billions of times every day) and fully understand what it is, what it means...and it will not be traumatic to them.

You are correct, there is a sliding scale upon which people idenify household pets as family members. I subscribe to that. However, it is actually DISRESPECTFUL to the animal to anthropomorphize its psychological characteristics. When I see the image of the snake and the cat, I naturally empathize more with the "victim" in the image. I do not simply, selfishly, regard the animal as a "teddy bear" that lives within my home, but I fully respect that animal as a predator with its own way of living life. I do not believe that the cat as a species is ignorant about the realities of life and death. In empathizing with the cat psychology, I do not apply my own "soft" human feelings. I am actually being MORE sensitive. I am RESPECTING nature, for what it is.

I insist that to be repulsed by this image is to be truly ignorant and immature.

toranokaze 07-01-2010 02:47 PM

This has been a long time coming:


Since the cat is already hung proceed to smoke and dry until jerked
Sever room temp. with light garnish.

squirell nutkin 07-01-2010 03:17 PM

You should read "Cooking with Fernet Branca" I truly think you will enjoy, if not love, it.

Gravdigr 07-01-2010 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint (Post 667944)
Thank you. I see that you have understood the actual issue, and have helped to clarify.

You are correct, a person's sensitivity to stimuli will change depending on their exposure to it. Therefore, it seems that a person has two choices when faced with reality, #1: turn away, and choose to remain sheltered and unable to deal with the real world, or #2: assimilate the new information, embrace it, and advance as a person.

You are correct, I was wrong to state this as a mental health issue. It is actually a maturity issue. A mature person will be able to see an image of a natural death (the kind which occurs billions of times every day) and fully understand what it is, what it means...and it will not be traumatic to them.

You are correct, there is a sliding scale upon which people idenify household pets as family members. I subscribe to that. However, it is actually DISRESPECTFUL to the animal to anthropomorphize its psychological characteristics. When I see the image of the snake and the cat, I naturally empathize more with the "victim" in the image. I do not simply, selfishly, regard the animal as a "teddy bear" that lives within my home, but I fully respect that animal as a predator with its own way of living life. I do not believe that the cat as a species is ignorant about the realities of life and death. In empathizing with the cat psychology, I do not apply my own "soft" human feelings. I am actually being MORE sensitive. I am RESPECTING nature, for what it is.

I insist that to be repulsed by this image is to be truly ignorant and immature.

All this will bite you in the ass one day. God, I wish I could be there to see it.:sniff:


I'm done with this.....................................................................now.

Flint 07-01-2010 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 668051)
All this will bite you in the ass one day. God, I wish I could be there to see it.:sniff:


I'm done with this.....................................................................now.

What you aren't understanding is that I have already been through this, and come out the other side. I'm not interested in going backwards...

Jilly 07-03-2010 08:01 PM

Wow people. How many dead animals do you pass on the road in a week. And thats live! Do you get all mushy over that? I have been a pet lover and owner all my life and I am amazed at the reaction of some people to this picture. Am I going to hang it on my living room wall? No, but come on, it is an interestesting phototgraph which is what iotd is all about. Right?

<back to lurcking>

lumberjim 07-03-2010 09:12 PM

YOU SPELLED LURKING WRONG!!!

toranokaze 07-03-2010 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by squirell nutkin (Post 668038)
You should read "Cooking with Fernet Branca" I truly think you will enjoy, if not love, it.

I will have to check it out

Jilly 07-04-2010 09:39 AM

:blush:Jim, typing while drinking never one of my strong suits. Spelled interesting wrong too.

ZenGum 07-06-2010 08:08 AM

Hey wait a minute ... has anyone used the

Quote:

you insensitive bastards my kitteh got eaten by a python on 9/11!
meme yet?

Trilby 07-06-2010 08:30 AM

you just did.

Pete Zicato 07-06-2010 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete Zicato (Post 667621)
Well, everything is life, isn't it. Unless a picture is 'shopped, it's life.

Does that mean that there is no picture which you would find repugnant?

BTW, I'm _not_ saying you should or shouldn't find this particular picture repugnant. Just trying to ascertain whether anything pictured would push your buttons and where the line would be for you.

Yo, Flint.

Did you miss the question, or don't feel like answering?

ogwen69 07-14-2010 03:33 PM

<re-delurk>

I'm quite dissapointed that this hasn't degenerated into a proper flamewar - what is the internet coming to!

And no Godwins Law either....

Eh back in the day...

</re-relurks>

classicman 07-14-2010 03:38 PM

Well, I blame you - You got things started and then went off hiding again.

Flint 07-14-2010 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete Zicato (Post 668914)
Yo, Flint.

Did you miss the question, or don't feel like answering?

I'm still thinking about it. Stand by...

Shawnee123 07-14-2010 09:55 PM

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ogwen69 07-15-2010 11:18 AM

*sigh*

Your all gay

and

Where are the upload codez?

Shawnee123 07-15-2010 11:34 AM

My all gay what? Broadway Revue?

ogwen69 07-17-2010 02:14 AM

tsch tsch shawnee get with your memes linkie anotheerlinkie

Shawnee123 07-17-2010 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ogwen69 (Post 671069)
tsch tsch shawnee get with your memes linkie anotheerlinkie

I'm slipping! :D


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