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TheMercenary 06-21-2010 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 664941)
You wouldn't make that statement if it hadn't been

Bill Clinton

who stopped a genocide of ethnic cleansing including systematic mass rape and torture when he

won the war

If that were true, then explain to me why he ignored Rwanda. That was on his watch. Or was it just because it was Africa and the people who were getting hacked to death, an estimated 800,000 in about 4 months, were black?

edit: having issues with my key board. should be clearer.

classicman 06-21-2010 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 664923)
We should have ignored Bosnia completely.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 664941)
You wouldn't make that statement if it hadn't been

Bill Clinton

who stopped a genocide of ethnic cleansing including systematic mass rape and torture when he

won the war

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 665021)
If that were the explain to me why he ignored Rwanda.

You should't jump to the next thing without either addressing/ conceding the first.

Oh and what the hell does that mean anyway.
Is this even a sentence? "If that were the explain to me why..."

Shawnee123 06-21-2010 01:26 PM

:corn:

Spexxvet 06-21-2010 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 665032)
:corn:

LOL!

Shawnee123 06-21-2010 01:37 PM

:lol2:

TheMercenary 06-21-2010 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman (Post 665029)
You should't jump to the next thing without either addressing/ conceding the first.

Why is that? I could give a shit if it was Clinton. Many of our presidents have ignored genocides around the world though, so I guess Clinton could have ignored the one in Bosnia as well.

Quote:

Oh and what the hell does that mean anyway.
Is this even a sentence? "If that were the explain to me why..."
fixed it.

classicman 06-21-2010 01:51 PM

Heya merc! How ya doin?

TheMercenary 06-21-2010 01:53 PM

I'm doing great man! Why do you ask? Should I be doing poorly? :D

classicman 06-21-2010 02:41 PM

Great to hear - so how are the kids?
Your daughter like her new car?
How was Mexico?
Hows work?
Hows your summer going?

TheMercenary 06-21-2010 02:50 PM

All good man.

Bahamas, not Mexico.

classicman 06-21-2010 03:42 PM

Ohhh, where are the pics from your trip?
You had some real nice ones last year, IIRC.

BTW - I found this interesting bwahahahaha

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JERUSALEM (June 20) -- The Israeli navy's internal investigation into last month's Israeli takeover of a Turkish-flagged ship bound for Gaza has found serious defects in the way the operation was planned and the intelligence made available to the navy commandos. But it found that the officers acted properly based on the information they were given.

Undertoad 06-21-2010 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 665021)
If that were true, then explain to me why he ignored Rwanda.

Perhaps he was estimating what could productively be done by force, and what could not.

TheMercenary 06-21-2010 06:33 PM

Possible. But I don't think Rwanda had the same arms that Bosnia or Serbia had. I don't think Rwanda was on the back door of the Russians. If his only point was to prevent a genocide then it just does not follow the logic of some 10,000 killed in Bosina vs the 800,000 killed in Rwanda. They ignored Rwanda because it was Africa. The Europeans should have taken care of the issue.

piercehawkeye45 06-21-2010 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 665114)
BTW - I found this interesting bwahahahaha

It seems that the biggest mistake on Israel's part was misjudging who the protesters were and how to handle the situation. From what I heard, whoever was in charge of the raid assumed the boat was full of peaceful activists so they did not bring in the overwhelming amount of force they should have in that situation. If Israel's soldiers, or whoever they were, were not put in a defensive position no one would have gotten killed. And if no one got killed, the media would not have jumped all over it.

classicman 06-21-2010 08:34 PM

That is correct - their intel was faulty and they claimed they were told by the US that they were peaceful - hence the boarded with paintball guns instead of real weapons. Its back there somewhere in a link previously posted. I'm too lazy to go find it now.

Spexxvet 06-22-2010 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 665195)
Possible. But I don't think Rwanda had the same arms that Bosnia or Serbia had. I don't think Rwanda was on the back door of the Russians. If his only point was to prevent a genocide then it just does not follow the logic of some 10,000 killed in Bosina vs the 800,000 killed in Rwanda. They ignored Rwanda because it was Africa. The Europeans should have taken care of the issue.

For your argument to be consistent, Clinton would also have ignored Somalia, also in Africa. He didn't.

glatt 06-22-2010 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 665361)
For your argument to be consistent, Clinton would also have ignored Somalia, also in Africa. He didn't.

He inherited Somalia and pulled out when things soured.

TheMercenary 06-22-2010 08:53 AM

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He inherited Somalia and pulled out when things soured.
We were not in Somalia because of a genocide. At least that is not what we were briefed.


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