Why would they do that when they have you to rag on?:p

Yes well, I think I probably provide enough entertainment for the mob when I decide to go off on a tangent, but I guess I'd be annoyed if someone decided to make personal comment about Dazza after I'd quoted him.

Mind you, if they did, he'd probably join the cellar in order to 'clarify his position'. lol

I don't really understand what this means, something like this obviously isn't what you're talking about

but whatever, do your thing, thanks for trying to explain.

Good God it was a fucking joke. He picked it up as something else and ran with it.

You're smart, you'll figure it out.

No, it was harassment. You got what you wanted, he lost it. Big victory for you, enjoy it.

No the joke I was talking about was Jinx's quote. Stop reading into my comments what you want to believe they mean.

That is crazy talk anyway, this is not about some "victory for me".

tw's response in that thread was fair game, although uncalled for.
Taking it all over the board was definitely not right.

Oh Merc, Griff's right. You're far from an innocent party in this ongoing fiasco.

Anyway, Bush could go out in a box. That would be a class act. IMHO.

Granted. I admit to repeatedly quoting, his repeated diatribes against the same stuff, over, and over, and over, and over, and over. Guilty.

yeah...cause you like being a shit stirer right? :headshake

Good now STFU about it and lets all move on.

Back to the thread ...

Bush = bad.

Got it?

We can't do that classic. lol This is the internet!

whateva

Well it's true. Some of us know you're a big softie at heart, but that's generally not the persona you project in general discussions...unless I've missed something, which is possible. ;)

I guess it depends on the subject matter. :D

Or if the subject matters...:D

Forgive my denseness, but who's the third one? I've read tw and Mercs exchanges, so that's two. Who's the third?

Now that you bring that up, it is pretty annoying. I'm a tolerant fellow though so I've not said anything up to this point.

I don't see any point in bringing out the old ban-stick.

This shit springs up, everybody gets hot under the collar, people start flinging about insults and bringing up old troubles and then... it all stops. It always does. The main protagonists get bored or distracted and something else starts attracting our collective attention. Very, very rarely, does the Cellar deviate from this pattern.

Merc and Tw, and several others, go through this on a semi-regular basis. It's unpleasant, it gets on most peoples' nerves, but it'll pass. It always does. The only possible reason for a ban, as far I can see, would be if we were hoping to recruit new members and were afraid this would put off those who wander through. As far as i know, we aren't on a recruitment drive...

A second reason to ban might be if one of the main players in the row was a newbie who hadn't proved themselves, but had just waltzed in causing havoc and upset and insulting people left, right and centre. Clearly that's not the case here. Both are established members of the community who have each made a significant contribution to who and what we are.

That said, when a barkeep tells you to quieten it down or take your argument outside, it behooves you as a patron to listen. I would suggest that all of those involved in the row listen to Bruce and take your argument elsewhere (in private chat or on a different forum).

I don't see merc as an established member. He's a fucking bully and has been from day one. I've been stupid enough to pass over his homophobia and constant abuse of tw. He started out with cover as the conservative who wasn't as annoying as UG, but now he is far worse. He contributes nothing to this forum.

I think that's an unfairly bleak account of Merc's time here. He's been a member for two years and in that time he's made positive and negative contributions, as have many of us.

You can't see past the politics. Whateva.

Not to shit stir, I made my peace with Merc (mentally) a while ago.
But if we're talking about not bringing spouses into it, you might want to consider Merc's comments about Radar's wife.

TW was wrong. But Merc has also been wrong in the past. As have other posters. Some people on here argue personally, spitefully, nastily. It's not attractive, but it is part of who they are, and they are we - we are the Cellar.

I say, let Merc & TW have their spat. The only part of it that really bugs me is when it gets into the whole "double standards" and "bullying" thing. I believe those claims are unfounded, but Merc does seem to have been treated more leniently IMO. Perhaps because he can post like a human being too (cooking, humour etc).

I was wrong. I was admonished and warned. And I reformed. That was over a year ago. I was guilty as charged and have made no such comments to Radar since even though he continues to make directly insulting comments to everyone who disagrees with him. The ignore button works wonders.

I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but I have to admit I've flipped the bozo bit on Merc after this one.

Of course that doesn't excuse tw's behavior.

I accept Merc's post (penultimate above). He has been way over the line and apologised - here and in other posts. That goes a long way in my esteem.

Doesn't mean I haven't abhorred some of Merc's posts. But TW's claim of favouritism doesn't take this into account. I haven't switched my views, because I still say let them both shred eachother. But Merc did remind me why I made my peace with him back them.

I wish there was a way to put Merc, tw, UG and (possibly) Radar & UT on ignore -- only for their political posts. They have posted gems in other categories that are definitely worth reading, but their angry contributions to political threads often poison their legibility beyond redemption.:headshake

Usually classicman, but he wasn't involved in the latest shitstorm.

To be fair there were a few of us who did want spexvet banned. Not just because of what he called jinx in that one thread but because of his habit of stirring the shit and posting in that manner. For some people using that one word set them off, for me it was just one more piece of the puzzle.

tw is an annoying petty little liar. his posts don't add a hell of a lot around here because they are generally opinion presented as fact BUT he has been a consistent (if not respected) member for a long time and I see no reason to change that unless he chooses to ignore the moderator warnings. This is classic tw. When pressed for answers he gets nasty. Back when I challenged him to support his views on investing he chose instead to insult me about my wife leaving me. I laughed it off because the words of a man I don't respect don't really mean much to me. He attacks people in a personal manner if they challenge his opinions. Not much value in the poster if you ask me.

Merc as near as I can tell isn't a liar. His politics are a bit off from mine and I don't really care for how he presents his case quite often. I don't like the way he treated Ibram - and I said so. I don't like what he said to Shawnee - and people challenged him. his changing of words (demoncrat) is annoying and petty but really pretty insignificant. Importantly, for me, when a mod stepped in and said XXXX is unacceptable - he stopped. That keeps him inside the lines for the banning rules in my book.

Personally I think pissing matches are fun at times. I've had my share with tw and some of them got pretty nasty. I still smile at some of them. BUT if any mod had told me to cease or be banned I would have stopped because that's why we elect the mods. If tw crosses the line after bruce's time stamped warning he should be shown the door.

Gotcha. Thanks.

classicman was fairly well rounded until election season rolled around and he lost his shit. elections do that to people. Last time it was mr noodle and he never came back around the bend. I think Classic will be just fine though.

I agree with that Lookout, but personally I'd prefer mods to use temporary bans or suspensions first.

I'm rarely in favour of bans. Mostly I think people should just grow a thicker skin or learn to use the ignore button. That said, like Lookout pointed out, there's no point in electing moderators if we then ignore them or disallow them from doing their job as they think it should be done. If a moderator gives someone a warning and tells them XXXX has to stop, then said mod must be able to enforce that.

And I made a personal public appology on that one as well within a week or so. I made peace with it and am done with the issue on that one. I am moving on with this issue as well.

MoveOn.org :P

Unless someone comes out with an all out attack on the community, perma-banning is probably unnecessary. I like the 30 day warning ban idea if an established member crosses the line and is judged worthy of a time out.

but in all honesty the cellar is the cellar and these things have a way of working themselves out. even if tw isn't banned does anyone actually read his posts anyway?

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sorry merc, i was just using that as an example - i wasn't expecting you to bow and scrape at this point in time.

I used to but then they started frightening me.

why? you think crazy is contagious? you're already a manc tart and a commie... how much worse do you think it can get?

You forgot socialist-anti-American-Bush-hater.. but I still like her. She's cool. :D

Gee, thanks for the vote of confidence - I think.

dude, i like you and we are fairly similar in our views for the most part, but you're shit got a little unstuck in the months leading up to the election. don't fight it - embrace your craziness. ;)

thanks - I know what I did and why I did it, but I don't wanna rehash all that. Those who know me well enough, understand and those who don't can kiss my ass. :)

You forgot living in an Islamo-apologist state and also a supporter of genocide. I say burn the witch (Blackadder rather than Python).
Do you use moist wipes? No way am I going there unless you trim, otherwise.

Back to the grown up world of the Cellar.
I am very much in favour of time-outs for long term Dwellars.
Step one - warn
Step two - take (temporary) action
Step three - welcome back, all issues forgiven and forgotten
Step four - warn
Step five - take (temporary) action
Step six - welcome back, all issues forgiven and forgotten
Step seven - get Elspode and Wolf to summon up Herne the Hunter and lay a deathly chase of hounds on their arse. Oh and ban them.

I don't think these 2 terms go together.
I do think that UT has done a fantastic job on his own of deciding who needed to be banned and when (extremely rarely) and don't understand why that would change just because tw flipped out.

If you find yourself freaking out about the words on the screen, give yourself a time out.

I did put those terms in proximity deliberately :)

You want people you don't know to kiss your ass? :eek:

i've been to parties like that.

You would.

what else is youth for, if not but to enjoy?

"Children, there's a time and a place for everything, and it's called college."

may I be in charge of all banning, please?

you people in this thread really PISS ME OFF

I'm gonna ban every last goddamned one of ya

just as soon as I find my ban key.

why can't I find my goddamned ban key!

BRUUUUUCE!

Couldn't find the clip?

NO.

HERE IT IS

HA HA HA HA at both Jim and Ali!

Nope, he's a piece of shit.

:dedhorse:

Nope, you'll always be a filthy little ass wipe even if you play nice for two minutes. Keep playing your game, we have time.

:lame: