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Flint 11-21-2008 11:47 AM

Step on my cubes!
--Stewie Griffin

Treasenuak 11-21-2008 11:48 AM

How not to do it with yourself: Handcuff yourself to the bed. Give your infant child the key.






that is all. Oh, hope you don't need to eat or use the bathroom. Ever.
Good luck with that, Cic ;)

lumberjim 11-21-2008 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Cicero (Post 506566)
I'm into the newest fetish. No sex at all with anyone in any way. I'm digging it. :) It's awesome. Anyone have advice on how not to do it, even with one's self?

It's awesome.

DUCT TAPE YOUR BUTT CHEEKS TOGETHER!

Treasenuak 11-21-2008 11:59 AM

Superglue. -nods- That stuff NEVER wears off.

Cicero 11-21-2008 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim (Post 506576)
DUCT TAPE YOUR BUTT CHEEKS TOGETHER!

How about I duct tape your cheeks together? I'll never think about sex again!! Bwuahahahaaaa! :D

Aliantha 11-21-2008 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Treasenuak (Post 506580)
Superglue. -nods- That stuff NEVER wears off.

Oh yes it does. I know this after the time I superglued my mouth shut.

Yes yes, I'm sure some of you find that thought incredibly amusing, and extremely tantalising. Just move along. There's nothing here to see now.

Sundae 11-21-2008 06:14 PM

I superglued my fingers together.
I cut them apart.
It didn't hurt all that much.

Tip: if you don't really mean it, use lots of glue. Give you more non-flesh to cut.

Treasenuak 11-21-2008 11:09 PM

Ali... STORY!!! Please? -begs prettily-

SG... STORY!!! Please? -begs prettily-

Aliantha 11-22-2008 12:33 AM

Not a lot to tell really.

I couldn't get the lid off so decided to use my teeth. Stupid, but there you go. The result is in my post above. :)

Sundae 11-22-2008 10:50 AM

I think mine was something similar.
It was really the finger and thumb on my left hand. I was holding something together while I glued it I think. All I really remember was wondering if I should go to the local DIY place and ask for something to unbond them, or poke at it with various sharp obejects. I chose the latter and it worked out surprisingly well.

TheMercenary 11-22-2008 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 505628)
Much as I share concern about some of the things Treas has posted, I think we're getting a little carried away here.

BDSM is something a lot of people are attracted to at varying levels. Some of those people have experienced abuse, some haven't. If both parties are aware and conscientious there is absolutely nothing dangerous about it. It's fantasy.

Personally, though I wouldn't necessarily pursue it, because the actual reality of submission is unappealing, at a fantasy level, dark is what turns me on. Dark and dangerous.

Unfortunately, one of the dangers of being attracted to darker characters and darker fantasies, is that you can be drawn to someone who isn't good for you.

What makes this problematic is that for many people who have those fantasies, there's an enormous amount of guilt and secrecy involved (after all, if people, even close to you, knew about that 'fucked up' desire you had, they may well reach some conclusions about you). If you add that to the fact a lot of people, especially women, find it hard to ask for/talk about their sexual desires, what you end up with is couples trying stuff out without discussing it. And that really can get dangerous.

Out in the open, with people of like mind who share complementary fantasies, that's a different matter.

Well stated.

TheMercenary 11-22-2008 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 506028)
Clod, I think you raise a goodpoint. But...there is a vast difference between consensual dominance play and non-consensual dominance. I have experienced how badly that can go wrong when the lines are crossed.

What Trease is talking about (with her Sir, and the BDSM scene) is a very controlled form of play and fantasy. It may well be that she is attracted to particular kinds of men and that opens her up to potential dangers...I understand this, I personally am attracted to a little darkness and 'nice' doesn't tend to float my boat. There are several ways of dealing with this. One is to follow that attraction into relationships that can do you harm, another is to avoid such relationships entirely, and still another is to compartmentalise that particular aspect of your sexuality into a form of co-ordinated and controlled fantasy (not so different from playing a computer roleplay game), satisfying that particular desire.

I learned long ago that for me it's the mental space it puts me in that attracts me, not the reality of the experience. For others the reality of the experience confirms and feeds into that mental space. It hits you at more than just a sexual level, it's a full on fantasy experience, with roleplay, creativity and expression. In any roleplay, the fantasy is so much more intense and *thinks* immersive when it involves other people to bounce off (if you'll pardon the pun). It isn't a replacement for 'ordinary' sex, it's a different thing entirely, it hits in a different way and for different reasons and is performed with different goals in mind.

If you're pottering around the world playing out your fantasies without really realising that's what you're doing, that can lead you into dangerous sitatuions and draw you to genuinely dangerous people, without you realising what's going on (my experience). If you know and understand your desires and how that fantasy fits into the rest of your psyche then there is no need for it to unduly influence your choice of partner, or the rest of your sex life. Generally speaking, if someone is aware of their desires to the point that they are seeking out BDSM clubs and communities, then they are less likely to be drawn unknowing into danger.

One thing I find slightly disturbing about this discussion, and it is something that also came to my mind, is that there is an implicit assumption in much of this thread, that Trease's attraction to BDSM is the reason she was beaten and raped by her husband. We have to be very, very careful. The only person responsible for rape is the one committing it.

two times.

Cicero 11-22-2008 08:07 PM

Who was assuming that? I would never assume something so shitty. Not me....but who? Maybe I'm not reading back far enough.

Juniper 11-22-2008 10:16 PM

Well, I am not criticizing or anything, but I just don't get it. In my world, you get the kids to bed, shut the door, and have sex real quiet-like. Sometimes you get to the prize, sometimes not, but oh well, you gotta get up early the next morning anyhow, yawn. It's like you're speaking another language, and not even an earth language at that. :o I'm so boring. :)

BrianR 11-22-2008 11:58 PM

I'm stunned that no one has asked me yet.

ME! The resident perv and kinky old man.

I've been part of the D/s scene for over twenty years, at all levels. I've hobnobbed with the major players, minor ones and even the beginners. I've tried about everything I intend to (there ARE limits, even for me) and witnessed many things that squick me out.

I understand exactly what Treas is saying, even if it's not perfectly expressed. Her head seems to be screwed on straight and she has a healthy outlook on her fantasies. As long as they don't dominate her everyday existence, she will likely enjoy her experiences.

The dichotomy of power exchange is very difficult to articulate. The bottom has the power because s/he holds the ultimate veto and the Top is honor-bound to honor it. The Top holds the power because the bottom grants it, and can withdraw it at any time.

The bottom experiences pleasure by acting out his/her fantasy in a safe way. The Top gets his/her pleasure by being granted the power and allows the Top to act out a nice fantasy too. Sometimes that fantasy allows the bottom to pleasure the Top directly, but not always.

D/s is not the be all and end all of sex, much as ground beef and white bread are not the epitome of food. Sure, they are good and yummy and all, but they are enhanced by the addition of condiments and spices, no? D/s is a sexual "spice". I still enjoy regular sex, but once in a while it's fun to play and enjoy something different.

There are countless books and studies out there that attempt to define and pigeonhole perverts (I use the term in a good way) but none really hit the mark. Only those who have a positive experience of some flavor of D/s really understand.

And more of you have experimented than realize it!

A little slap and tickle in the bedroom? Love bites? Ever had him hold your hands over your head while you engage in intercourse? Then you've tried D/s. Ever done role-playing? Worn a costume of some kind in the bedroom? Even a blindfold? Yep! You too. Maybe you have whispered dirty words in your lovers' ear before or during the act. Still D/s. True, these things do not quite rise to the stratospheric levels of bullwhips, needles, torches, knives (see, I got them in somewhere!) and more extreme forms of play, but still they fall into that category.

Bet you didn't realize what you were doing, did you?

I once gave nearly the same speech on Philly After Midnight a few years ago. I still don't think I managed to communicate the nuances to the interviewer or the viewers. Maybe I should have used makeup. I did look a little washed-out and paler than usual. Oh well, too late now.

I entertain questions.

Brian

monster 11-23-2008 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Treasenuak (Post 505625)
I do drink a little in the mornings if I'm not working. HOWEVER... and this is a big one... I do NOT have more than the equivalent of one beer if I am the only adult in the house with my daughter. Anything more than that happens only after she is asleep, or if Ted is present to watch her for me.

Trea, I'm sure it was just a wording error, but just in case... you still need a sober adult present if you drink once she's asleep. What if she wakes with a dangerously high fever requiring medication or hospitalization? Or falls out of bed and gashes her head? Or less dramatically, wakes with a bad dream and can't rouse you.

classicman 11-23-2008 03:09 PM

What monster said - its just parenting 001!

xoxoxoBruce 11-23-2008 03:14 PM

What? You're not allowed to put your feet up and relax, with an adult beverage, while they sleep, until they're 18? Then there's a shitload of bad parents in this country... every night. :eyebrow:

classicman 11-23-2008 03:20 PM

I agree Bruce - there are a shitload of bad parents in this country... every night. HYPOTHETICALLY - I don't think it is wise, nor ok for a single parent being the only responsible adult in the house to get drunk to the point of passing out. :headshake

xoxoxoBruce 11-23-2008 03:21 PM

She said one beer. :eyebrow:

Aliantha 11-23-2008 03:30 PM

Daryl and I often share a bottle of wine when the kids have gone to bed. Actually, it usually starts at dinner and then we polish it off.

Technically that'd put both of us over the limit if we were to drive, but either one of us could certainly dial 000 if it were an emergency.

classicman 11-23-2008 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 507182)
She said one beer. :eyebrow:

No she said "Anything more than that happens only after she is asleep, or if Ted is present to watch her for me."
Which is why I said HYPOTHETICALLY - I was specifically NOT talking about her.

xoxoxoBruce 11-23-2008 08:03 PM

Bah, ya can't hide your loathing diatribe behind a "HYPOTHETICALLY", ya dogooder. :haha:

monster 11-23-2008 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 507179)
What? You're not allowed to put your feet up and relax, with an adult beverage, while they sleep, until they're 18? Then there's a shitload of bad parents in this country... every night. :eyebrow:

of course you are. but when they're so little they can't tell you what's wrong and they can't physically come to you and and and.... AND YOU"RE A SINGLE PARENT and they don't have older sibs......... it is not OK to get smashed alone once your baby is asleep. that's why it's so damned hard to be a single parent. I couldn't do it, that's for sure. i guess this stands out for me because I find it pretty irritating when beest is out of town to have to keep it to drivable levels just in case -and when you're the only parent and can't call in reinforcements, somehow you want that beer at the end of the day a little more....

But trea was writing about being responsible in this area and has mentioned that she has a tough time getting stuff into words, so i'm pretty sure this discussion is entirely unnecessary anyway.

classicman 11-23-2008 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 507270)
Bah, ya can't hide your loathing diatribe behind a "HYPOTHETICALLY", ya dogooder. :haha:

Ahhh but my children are much older now and I have already sacrificed PLENTY. As one with an alcoholic drug abusing ex, I know all too well what the fuck goes on and what HAS to be done and what sacrifices need be made. I made them and I don't regret one single second of any of it.

monster 11-23-2008 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 507184)
either one of us could certainly dial 000 if it were an emergency.

the buggers here make you find two different buttons on the phone, though :(

:lol:


The thing is there are two of you.... if one of you overdoes it and passes out, there's back-up. And a bottle of wine between you over the course of an evening is not going to shove you far over "the limit". When he's away, do you do the bottle by yourself (or rather, did you when the kids were tiny?)

Aliantha 11-24-2008 01:33 AM

There were lots of nights after my Mum died when I drank myself into a stupor then took pills and passed out. I know it was the wrong thing to do now, but at the time it was pretty hard not to. Many nights I felt like I would have been completely happy to never wake up again. It's probably only thanks to the kids that I never quite took that step right over the edge.

Maybe it sounds pathetic, but I couldn't cope when she was gone, and she was my back up as a single parent...so I felt like I had none.

Anyway, I think people who're in these situations need support not judgement. I was lucky. Just plain lucky that the above mentioned behaviours, and a number of other risky behaviours didn't end in tragedy. I think it's why I have tried in the past to help out when I have felt mothers or parents weren't coping. Sometimes it helps. Other times not, but I'll keep on doing it for the sake of the kids, and in the hope that the parent/s see that they've got more to live for than they think.

Treasenuak 11-24-2008 01:19 PM

WOW, I leave for two days and THIS is what happens?! BrianR... THANK you for expressing me better than I can do it myself. And Monster: You were right. Wording error. I should have said after she's asleep AND Ted is there to watch her for me. Just in case. Thanks for the catch!

monster 11-24-2008 05:45 PM

trease, sounds like you're doing an awesome job in a tough situ and making sure you don't lose sight of your own needs. good on ya.

Treasenuak 11-24-2008 08:23 PM

-blushes- Thank you, Monster... that you should say so means a lot to me. It's been a bit of an uphill fight to get to a place where I am stable enough (mentally as well as with my living situation and such) that I can take care of my child AND satisfy my own baser cravings. It's good to hear an encouraging word now and then :)

SquidGirl 11-24-2008 09:12 PM

Wow, interesting thread, good job starting it Trease and very brave for taking all the hits/comments/support, etc!

With children you focus on them so much you tend to forget yourself. By the time you remember yourself you are cleaning the cat box at 3am crying how you can't handle one more things shit as 'the boy' is asking to get a dog.

Treasenuak 11-25-2008 08:59 AM

I've seen more than one family fall into chaos because the parents are so wrapped up in the children they forget to take care of themselves both as individuals and as a couple. From the day I found out I was pregnant, I swore I would never let that happen; I've tried very hard to balance my own needs with those of my little girl. Granted, I'm not perfect, and I've made mistakes, but I think all in all we're both pretty contented girls, with all our needs provided for and most of our wants supplied as well... Especially her, the cute little gremlin!!

classicman 11-25-2008 10:50 AM

Excellent! Great attitude. Keep up the good work. I know its not easy by any stretch.

Cicero 11-25-2008 11:32 AM

That reminds me of me and my dog.

That's all the stuff I tell myself when I get separation anxiety when I go to work. I tell myself that I am addressing my needs and her needs doing it, and ultimately it is the best thing to do. When in all actuality I shouldn't have to be having that conversation with myself at all. It's best just not to have the separation anxiety in the first place. Usually the separation anxiety is the dog having it, not the owner.

Treasenuak 11-25-2008 02:05 PM

-grins- Now if only separation anxiety could be turned off via a simple little switch... leaving Kidlet with the babysitter would be SOOOOO much easier.

Treasenuak 12-03-2008 11:36 AM

-stretches and sighs- Well, life is getting INTERESTING! Been teaching Ted some simple rope ties... turns out he may be something of a closet rope Dom. FUN STUFF!! Especially since there's exposed rafters in the house. Now... once my knee heals we'll see how he does with a bit more challenging bondage... and perhaps I'll get to tie him up once or twice. Anyone know a good place in Central TN to buy riding crops? (for me, not him.... his pain tolerance is remarkably low)

TheMercenary 12-03-2008 07:40 PM

Any tack shop.

SteveDallas 12-03-2008 09:16 PM

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Tack shop???? Talk about pain....

Big Sarge 12-04-2008 12:00 AM

You can find them at TSC or equine supply stories. There are several online sites where you can find quality crops designed for humans. They aren't as likely to cause serious damage.

Exposed beams? Have you considered a bondage swing. Oh, and when are you going to post some photos of your activities??

Treasenuak 12-04-2008 11:42 AM

Merc, Big Sarge... have I mentioned we live in the middle of nowhere? I'll pay as much in gas money driving to a tack shop or TSC as I would ordering them online. Blah. I should get his ex to send me one of her extras...

SD, you evil, evil man. Don't give me ideas!! ;)

Oh, and Big Sarge... Bondage swing is a LOVELY idea, but we don't really have room for it. Unfortunately. And photos... -sighs- Well, you're the fifth person who's asked for pics, so I guess I HAVE to now, huh? All right, all right, I'll get on it.

Big Sarge 12-04-2008 05:35 PM

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Treas - This crops designed for humans can be bought for less than $20 online. I'm also including a photo of a bondage swing with spreader bar that is easy to attach to an exposed beam. Quick and easy set up & take down

Big Sarge 12-04-2008 05:37 PM

Almost forgot, they also make vibrating crops that can give both pleasure or pain

Treasenuak 12-08-2008 11:37 AM

Ah, thank you, Big Sarge :-) Once again, you have been most helpful. I think I owe you dinner... unless you had another idea in mind? ;)

Big Sarge 12-08-2008 03:23 PM

Hmmm? You don't know the thoughts racing through my mind

Treasenuak 12-08-2008 03:35 PM

Do tell...

Treasenuak 12-19-2008 05:27 PM

Yay for the possibility of a closed quad... and barring that, a closed triad with my primary on the outside (as per his choice). Plus the possibility of a Domme taking me under Her wing. My life is looking up on the relationship side!


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