No, she's also hated for the things she did, or tried to do, while she was uppity there. :haha:

No, the reason she is hated is because her last name is Clinton. :D

Yeah, she's got a lot of nerve using the same name as the best president since Harry Truman. ;)

hahahahahahaha

*chuckles* touche :P

Yeah, I guess so. But the level of bile seems more extreme with Hillary than it is/was with Clinton. Looking in from the outside, that is. I only have limited access to what the American media is up to, so that may reflect more how it was channelled and packaged at this end, rather than how it looks on the ground *shrugs*.

@Merc. Ok. But now my interest is piqued. Who do you hate/despise more, Bill or Hillary?

Geraldine Ferraro ran on a Dem ticket as the VP with Mondale - she wasn't treated like Hillary. Why do you suppose that is?

*Shows ignorance of American political history* I have never heard of either of those people...

I do think the media treats female politicians differently to the way hey treat male politicians...and I think the electorate have different expectations of female politicians than those they have of male politicians...

Well, duh. *Chuckles* The media expresses and distills (potentially distorts) current cultural preoccupations. It reflects back our cultural expectations and that includes how we view men and women. On the public stage, men must prove themselves to the electorate by showing their strengths and talents and so it is with women; but there had better be 'good wife and mother' on her list of strengths if she wants to be within a mile of high office.

It's expected that a man on the public stage will have a wife in his private world; but how good a father and husband he is only really becomes an issue if he's a cheating bastard. Domestic affairs have the potential to weaken him in public opinion, but they're unlikely to be a strengthening asset.

*shrugs* It's not a conspiracy. It's just the way it is.

A wife and a Mistress.... :D

The first woman to run for President:

Victoria Woodhull, born in 1838 in Homer, Ohio, was selected by the Equal Rights Party to be its candidate in the 1872 election.

http://www.loc.gov/wiseguide/may06/women.html

No shit? Fantastic, thanks for the link! That's really interesting. I tend to stick pretty much with Britain in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, only really look at whats going on in other countries where it relates back to Britain *smiles* so it's kind of nice to step out of that and look at similar social movement elsewhere.

Though, actually, now I know shes from the nineteenth century, I think I have heard of her. Her names been mentioned in the context of women in te 'public sphere'. I had assumed you weretalking about candidates in more recent history:P

I was Dana. Merc took it to a whole nother level.

It is only because I heard it on NPR. Yea I am a NPR junky. Whatever......

I wasn't takin a shot at you Merc - I was just sayin...

I really don't think that any of the shit Hillary gets is because she is a woman. Its simply because of who she is, thats all.

No worries. I did not take it any other way. Just shooting from the hip. A weakness of mine.

This from a beloved brother and friend:

I got the DVD, "Obsession," in the mail and in a newspaper from the group that is responsible for making these films. They were distributed only in "battleground" states with no effort - THEY said - to influence the election. My first though is this is from some fundamentalist christian pro-Israel group. It is actually from a Rabbi named Raphael Shore. See below. This is all partisan anti-Muslim rhetoric designed to scare people into voting for McPalin.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/erik-o..._b_125969.html
Raphael Shore is an Israeli-Canadian film writer, producer, and Rabbi employed full time by Aish HaTorah.[1][2] He is the founder of The Clarion Fund, a non-profit organization that seeks to advance the idea that the United States faces a threat of radical Islam. Shore is also a regular critic of the media coverage on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, coverage which he alleges is regularly anti-Israel. [3]
Shore's documentary about radical Islam, Obsession, became a controversial part of the 2008 presidential campaign when he distributed copies of it to 28 million voters in U.S. swing states in an apparent attempt to convince them of the dangers of Islamic terror in the run-up to the election. [4] Shore has declined to reveal who funded both the production of the film or dissemination of the DVDs. [5]
Shore is currently a full-time employee of Aish HaTorah[6], an Orthodox organization devoted to promoting Jewish learning, and has collaborated with its sub-organization, HonestReporting, a pro-Israel media watchdog site.
Shore wrote and produced the documentary films Relentless: The Struggle for Peace in the Middle East and Obsession: Radical Islam’s War Against the West.
Raphael Shore is the twin brother of Ephraim Shore, the former head of HonestReporting.[7]

The information above would need to be further vetted to be accepted at face value. The typical event has occurred. He says, she says, he says, she says. Somewhere you will need to make your own decisions.

I'd like to list a few of the things that I use to even this out in my own head.

- Most Muslims are regular joes that just want to take care of their family and do Gods will.

- Most Christians are regular joes that just want to take care of their family and do Gods will.

- There are a few radical Christians who will indeed blow you up or murder you if you are involved in something very immoral in their eyes, like abortion.

- There are a few radical Muslims who will indeed blow you up or murder you if you are not a Muslim (of their type).

- Just for the record there has never been a Norwegian suicide bomber.

Which one poses the largest threat right now to my country? Do I have any real evidence to support the conclusion I may come to in answering that question?

I'm most worried about the Icelandic suicide bombers.

That's right. She is who Rush Limbaugh has been telling us to hate for over eight years now. Many will simply believe what they are told to believe - including WMDs. Rush Limbaugh and the many other Republican party mouthpieces have been telling us for at least a decade to hate Hilary Clinton. Not all of us are smart enough to ignore or demand 'reasons why' from those wacko extremist mouthpieces.

Me too. But I heard the chicks are smoking hot!

Yea, the chicks are the BOMB!

...oh God, I kill me. HA!

Pics required after a claim like that!

I was looking for Stiff Little Fingers on YouTube for the music thread, and came across this compilation of clips set to Alternative Ulster.

The song was neither pro or anti British, it was simply written about living in a war zone, and the young rising up to claim a reasonable living space. The clips (which are more biased) at least show what it was like to grow up in NI in the 70s.

I know I might witter on about this, but it was a huge thing for me, growing up Catholic in England. And in and around London, where many attacks took place (apols Birmingham, Manchester, Warrington et al). Terrorism has a huge impact on your life, especially if it happens somewhere you spend a lot of your time, and/ or your relatives live there.

America is simply too big to live under the fear of sustained terrorist attacks by Muslims. Those already inside your borders will be too easily corrupted by the American way of life, which offers so many more immediate pleasures than in a strictly Islamic state. And devout Muslims aren't bombers. You'd need thousands of fruitloops to kill on a scale even approaching the troubles (percentage wise).

If you have anything to fear it will come from those closest to you. Of course I hope not. And in fact I really don't think it will. Anyone want to make a bet on a terrorist attack in the US in the next year? I'll give you great odds.

BTW it's the album version of the song. I'll find a live one for the music thread, it's much dirtier (not the words, just the music)

Ohhhh, we like dirty. :D

Agree 100%. I used to live in a "very" Islamic neighborhood and all the kids growing up in the States act much more Western than Islamic.

Al-Qaida-linked Web site backs McCain as president

That last line says a lot to me. "No comment" Way to come off as being the strong leader he purports to be - NOT!