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TheMercenary 10-12-2008 02:43 AM

It is quite obvious that some people can become the enemy of the state during anarchy or home grown terrorism. There are still a lot of laws they would have to overcome. I really can't see it happening. Not something I loose sleep over or worry about on any level.

NoBoxes 10-12-2008 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 492645)
No, you're charged with the defense of the country from foreign powers, the police are charged with the defense of the people from internal threats.

IRRELAVENT.

Just as law enforcement officers qualified to perform military duty (i.e. those in the National Guard or Reserves) can be converted (called up) from civilian police duty against internal threats to active military duty against external threats, so too can active duty military personnel who are qualified in law enforcement procedures be converted to civilian status for law enforcement purposes and it can all be done with the stroke of a pen.

Each branch of service has a regulation covering this action. The Army's regulation is AR 635-200, CHAPTER 5, SEC II. Any service member may be separated from active duty at any time "For the convenience of the government." That literally means for the government's MERE convenience. It's the catch all regulation that allows the military to downsize as necessary without breach of contract with service members. It also allows the government to separate from active duty a company, brigade; or, even a division and transfer it from the Department of Defense to the Department of Homeland Security (rather than the Reserves) for fulfillment of the service members' obligations [the regulation can be applied unilaterally]. Military service members can be transferred to civilian General Schedule (GS) positions in the same pay grades with a comparable chain of authority (vs command) structure.

It was inevitable that as the active duty military went to the Total Force concept, which downsized the active components and emphasized reliance on the Reserves and Guard to be activated during conflict, that the process would be reversed to augment civilian law enforcement during domestic crises. The "John Wayne motherfuckers" who don't like it are inconsequential in capability, numbers, and organization. They will fall by the wayside: that includes you.

Cicero 10-12-2008 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus (Post 491885)
From here.

I didn't look, but I hope this article is dated at least prior to 2000.:p

This is how you rewrite history. Constantly say that it just happened and you are on top of it. ...I am tired of hearing this crap.

xoxoxoBruce 10-12-2008 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by NoBoxes (Post 492665)
It was inevitable that as the active duty military went to the Total Force concept, which downsized the active components and emphasized reliance on the Reserves and Guard to be activated during conflict, that the process would be reversed to augment civilian law enforcement during domestic crises. The "John Wayne motherfuckers" who don't like it are inconsequential in capability, numbers, and organization. They will fall by the wayside: that includes you.

Total Force - Crises created and resolved, at will - Citizens, and their Constitutional rights, be damned - We are the government, you will obey - resistance is futile.

Thank you for proving my point.

BrianR 10-12-2008 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 492468)
The question is who are you going to take your anger out on and blame? Bush or the Congress that approved it?

Congress, which is the source of most of our current ills. Of course. What did you think?

Brian

NoBoxes 10-13-2008 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 492736)
Total Force - Crises created and resolved, at will - Citizens, and their Constitutional rights, be damned - We are the government, you will obey - resistance is futile.

Thank you for proving my point.

You're welcome; but really, there's no need to thank me. I was just doing my part to help encourage the elderly to get out and vote. :p

xoxoxoBruce 10-13-2008 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianR (Post 492762)
Congress, which is the source of most of our current ills. Of course. What did you think?

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 491331)
I was wrong - After rereading it again there is a bunch of legalese in there and it was actually modified in 1981 and as recently as 2006 & 2008 by our current fearless leader.

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 491333)
Yeah, well, the Bush administration doesn't believe the act applies to them anyway, so it's not worth the paper it's written on.


TheMercenary 10-13-2008 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cicero (Post 492729)
I didn't look, but I hope this article is dated at least prior to 2000.:p

This is how you rewrite history. Constantly say that it just happened and you are on top of it. ...I am tired of hearing this crap.

Hell, all the blacks down in the South are trying to get rid of anything related to the Confederates, no difference. They are trying to re-write history as well. Look at the text books in school, dumbed down politically correct pieces of crap.

Sundae 10-14-2008 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 493275)
Hell, all the blacks down in the South are trying to get rid of anything related to the Confederates, no difference. They are trying to re-write history as well. Look at the text books in school, dumbed down politically correct pieces of crap.

All the blacks, eh?
I wish we had their unity and sense of purpose.

Shawnee123 10-14-2008 08:06 AM

Textbooks have almost always been a product of revisionism.

Remember the US history books in Jr Hi? The noble and patriotic white men saved us from the savage and evil native americans. Why, if we hadn't slaughtered them by the hundreds think what they would have done to our lifestyle, our country, our entire raison d'etre! :headshake

TheMercenary 10-14-2008 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 493379)
Textbooks have almost always been a product of revisionism.

Remember the US history books in Jr Hi? The noble and patriotic white men saved us from the savage and evil native americans. Why, if we hadn't slaughtered them by the hundreds think what they would have done to our lifestyle, our country, our entire raison d'etre! :headshake

A perfect example of why we should not erase our history, good or bad.

Clodfobble 10-14-2008 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl
All the blacks, eh?
I wish we had their unity and sense of purpose.

You crack me up, chica.

classicman 10-14-2008 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 493379)
Textbooks have almost always been a product of revisionism.

Remember the US history books in Jr Hi? The noble and patriotic white men saved us from the savage and evil native americans. Why, if we hadn't slaughtered them by the hundreds think what they would have done to our lifestyle, our country, our entire raison d'etre! :headshake

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 493389)
A perfect example of why we should not erase our history, good or bad.

Well said - by both of you.

xoxoxoBruce 10-14-2008 12:52 PM

No, no, no, rewrite everything so the children don't have to shoulder the guilt. Do you want to damage their little psyches? Think of the children.:eek:

Cicero 10-14-2008 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 493275)
Hell, all the blacks down in the South are trying to get rid of anything related to the Confederates, no difference. They are trying to re-write history as well. Look at the text books in school, dumbed down politically correct pieces of crap.

Yes. Yes. and yes. I just don't think we need to replicate it on the cellar right?

Hey guys! I have been the hottest woman on the cellar since 1999!!! :D



Oh wait, when you rewrite history it has to be specious enough to sound almost true...

TheMercenary 10-14-2008 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cicero (Post 493618)
Yes. Yes. and yes. I just don't think we need to replicate it on the cellar right?

Hey guys! I have been the hottest woman on the cellar since 1999!!! :D



Oh wait, when you rewrite history it has to be specious enough to sound almost true...

You crack me up woman.. :D

Urbane Guerrilla 10-15-2008 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 493275)
Hell, all the blacks down in the South are trying to get rid of anything related to the Confederates, no difference. They are trying to re-write history as well. Look at the text books in school, dumbed down politically correct pieces of crap.


Which is why you shouldn't expect to have mastered history until you've studied it in more than just your HS textbooks.

History everywhere and everywhen has its array of warts, blemishes, and scars. Only mythology is smooth and altogether noble.

TheMercenary 10-15-2008 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 494075)
Which is why you shouldn't expect to have mastered history until you've studied it in more than just your HS textbooks.

History everywhere and everywhen has its array of warts, blemishes, and scars. Only mythology is smooth and altogether noble.

I get the distinct feeling that the general population of blacks and apologists in the South have a organized plan to erase that history. JMHO from what I have seen in my short time in the South.


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