MPFC (or even MP himself) is not solely a nerd-based phenomenon (at least in this country YMMV).

Now if they had released their work with DVD commentary (no, please don't talk about The Holy Grail "commentary") then knowing phrases from that might be a bit much. Like me quoting The League of Gentlemen commentary.

I just saw a video where Palin couldn't even name a journal that she reads. Wow. I don't think she remotely knows what she is talking about. <<2cents>>

Wow. The Republican party have managed to find a politician who makes George Bush seem positively intellectual.

The sickener with Palin (apart from the fact she appears as dumb as a dumbfuck and twice as dangerous) is that her biggest selling point appears to be the fact she's a feisty, kickass girlie. A feisty, kickass girly who can take the boys on at their own game. A feisty, kickass girlie who can take the boys on at their own game and who'd do more to set back the cause of women's equality than the most rabid, right-wing family-values, misogynist, male politician ever could.


There was a joke in Britain in the early 90s:

Margeret Thatcher did for women's liberation what the Boston Strangler did for door-to-door sales.

Though at least Maggie wasn't an embarrassment to the rest of us when she was on TV. Shameful maybe, but not embarrassing.

*blinks* oooh. Yeah, I'd probably better stop there. Whew, that was close....very nearly went off on a major vent about gender politics....

I don't like what maggiie did politically, but i think she was a fantastic catalyst in breaking sexist stereotypes. yes, she wasa ball-breaker, and very masculine in some ways, but she had kids, she wore skirts, make-up and jewellery and she just led her life the way she damn well pleased and fuck what anyone thought. she was in no way the woman I wanted to be, but I think that she demonstrated that, as a "modern woman" if you didn't want the traditional female role, it wasn't compulsory to fit into the one or two other sterotypes available. you could make new paths.

OMFG! watching the debate.. I'm, sure she said nucular.... twice....

AAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHH

(prolly thinks it's cute :rolleyes:)

mother yes
full time no.

how many "other heads of state" have no non-parental help with children? that's what she is (or maybe was) claiming would be the case. if she expects to work presidential hours, she cannot expect to be the mom she describes herself as. that said, I've seen so many more interviews since that I've realised this is totally a moot point. she doesn't think this deeply.

Thatcher is a great person. You may not like her position on things, but from across the pond she is still very well respected.

I'm loving Palin in this "debate"! She's preety much nailing McCain's coffin :D

scarily more of an imitation than a parody
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r36Xc0GG4iQ

Watching the debate. Palin as the possible leader of the US? Aaaargh! If she uses the word "maverick" one more time, I think I'll puke! :headshake

u can't puke, I stole ur bukkit

I heard it, too, on NPR (was in car)---my seventeen year old son looked at me, wide-eyed, and said, "She just said NUCULAR!" and we burst out laughing. If a 17 year old male, who's focus is definitely NOT politics but chicks, notices how dumb this woman is, hopefully others will, too.

My ex-in laws, who don't believe dinosaurs once walked the earth (satan put the dino bones there to "confuse" us) WILL be voting McCain/Palin.

Well, she came off well on the personality front. I'll bet hardly anyone noticed that she named a Civil War general as the commander in Afghanistan. Also, she was snide, condescending, and essentially accused Biden of being an opportunistic coward. I'm sure Biden was very carefully coached not to engage her, so he did not fire back. That took a lot more discipline than I would have credited to him.

She got past her inexperience by speaking in generalities and in many cases ducking the question. Biden did not call her on it.

I do think the part where she wanted to go further in redefining the vice presidency than Cheney has was frightening.

The fact checkers are going to be working overtime on her claims, and some of Biden's too.

plenty to focus on besides her pronunciation. If I remember, Mr Carter had a rather unusual pronunciation as well. Of course he was a shit president, so that probably isn't a comparison she'd want.

If her politics are anathema to you, it's very hard to call her a great person. I agree that she was a great politician. And I agree with Monster that she was a ground breaker for women in politics in this country. Great person? Hmmmm. I'm not entirely sure she was a person. Still.

I'll have to look up some clips from the VP debate on YouTube. I'm pleased to hear that Biden didn't rise though.

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Well. She wasn't as bad as i was anticipating. Not particularly impressive for someone seeking one of the highest offices in the most powerful nation on earth...but probably better than I could have done :P

I stil don't like her. I still think she's a bitch. But she's not quite the thick-as-pigshit waste of a brain that I thought she was...

On Thatcher: yeah, in some ways she did break down barriers. Unfortunately once in office she set about implementing policies which were extremely detrimental to women in particular. The anti-single mum attitudes hardened up considerably. The idea that if a woman wants to claim benefits she must name the father of her children came from this time. Many of the job protections which were removed (as we all moved to a more flexible working style) were those which mainly affected women (part-time work for example). Froze child benefit for years. Presided over a government that made traditional (patriarchal) family values the cornerstone of their most oppressive legislation (such a the anti-gay stuff) thereby shifting the debate in directions that I consider to be a serious step backwards in terms of gender politics.

Left a legacy that makes it very hard to imagine that this country would be comfortable with a woman PM for a long time to come.

Oh, don't get me wrong, much as I hate her (and I still do) I also admire her.

I respectfully disagree. I am sure we have more sense than that. Those on the knee-jerk right (who I have to hear when I work in the pub) think she was amazing. Those on the left would rather drink poisoned Kool Aid than deny a politician because of gender.
So we have a date in Trafalgar Square then?

Yes....but I'll be armed with purple flour.

I too was struck that she said "Nuke-u-lar."

Now, I know this is not a huge deal, except it is. Here is why I believe it is:

Bush has said nuke-u-lar all along. This is not to be attributed to dialect or accent or locality. The word is, clearly, nuclear.

Now, all these years I have wondered: you know someone has HAD to tell Bush that he is mispronouncing a word that he has had occasion to use quite often. You know he has been advised as such. He has never waivered from his mispronunciation. I feel there can only be a handful of reasons for his failure to correct:

1) He really doesn't give a flying rat's ass what is correct and what is not. He'll do and say whatever he damn well pleases and who cares, in fact we can all bite him in the ass if we don't like it. (see: Iraq)

2) He is trying to portray himself as just one of the common folk...see, this is how we talk, us "regular" people. Surely Ma and Pa and Betsy and Johnny from Marsh Lake Ohio will appreciate how really common I am. (see: Palin)

3) He really is just that stupid.

So, yeah it's just a word, but I expect the leader of the free world to strive to do a little better.

I almost choked when Palin said it, over and over, last night.

We had a supply teacher for history when our regular teacher was on maternity leave. I've never hated history (usually one of my favourite subjects) so much.

Why?
We were studying the Russian revolution. And she said commonists. Drove me crazy. Yes, she was Welsh, but that is no excuse. Commonists, over and over again. No wonder I turned out the way I did.

My 7th grade teacher mispronounced Edinburgh. I knew the correct pronunciation from my Bay City Roller days (which I just mentioned in the concert thread, see what I did thar?)

He was a great guy: he said "OK Shawnee, prove it" and pointed at the encyclopedia. Me being me, I jumped up, found it, and showed him.

He was impressed. I think he held back a "well I'll be goddammed!" Instead he smiled and laughed at his mistake oh those many years.

She was honest in at least one way. Right up front she said she wouldn't answer the moderator's questions.

Sarah Palin channels Donald Rumsfeld:

I liked that: I can answer any damn way I please. Eff you for asking me questions I don't want to answer. Look, a bird.

Shades of Bush.

She did a good job. Better than Biden. I still won't vote for McCraine.

mercy, what did she do better than Biden?

I just thought her presentation was better. She is crisp and has a much better stage presence. He came off as the same ole Washington insider with years in the Congress doing nothing.

This was a pretty good summary:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...in_debate.html

I just happened upon this:
PALIN WINS BIG WITH A REAGAN-LIKE FLAIR

Really? I thought he came off as pretty warm and straightforward. I felt like she was pushing too hard. It seemed forced.

He comes off like a wet rag, except when I have seen him on some of those c-span congressional inquires. Then he is like a rabid dog and gives no quarter, I like that in him. I am quite sure that Palin could easily do the same. If they lose this election I put money on her going after Stevens seat.

You could see plain as day Palins coaching. She gets an A+ for remembering her lines but a D- for answering the questions.

At first, I was impressed by her ability to regurgitate on cue what she had been force-fed, but after a while it began to look like a bad case of food poisoning.
:vomitblu:

I think debates in this day and age are completely and utterly pointless. It is nothing more than a dog and pony show. The candidates will certainly not give us real insight into who they are and what they will do if elected while they pose for the cameras and recite memorized position points. The voting public turns the tv on with preconceived ideas about each candidate and 99% of the time they only process what they see and hear in a way which will further support what they already believe.

She did tits and hair better than biden. And lip licking.

I whole heartedly support Barack Obama.

If and when McCain dies and the country is left up to some ditsy ho like Sarah Palin, the United States will have slowly started its decline as a world super power.

Bit late for that prediction mate.

She gets an A+ for her whole performance. I would give Biden a solid B, but that's about it. He was lackluster.

<Inigo Montoya>You keep using those phrases. I don't think they mean what you think they mean.</Inigo Montoya>

http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/14807
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4870677.ece
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...zPo&refer=home

I mean exactly what I said. The decline began before this election cycle. IMHO it began with Clinton and has been going down ever since.

I agree with this - but at the same time I have to wonder. How would someone ever know exactly what is going to happen when they get there?

Back in the day of Ross Perot (who I did not support) and after the election that he lost - he was doing an interview on NPR. They asked him if he was upset that he didn't get to be president.

His response "Hell no, not now. Could you imagine? You are in the White House, drinking your morning coffee and reading up on the news. Then all of a sudden - BAM - Jesus Christ shows up in Waco Texas." (This was right during the David Koresh thing in Waco)

What I would like personally - is to have a candidate that shows up to the debates - gives their ideas and what they would like to do when in office - but then state "Ya know what - depending on what shit hits the fan when I get there - this is all subject to change."

- Unless they have a crystal ball and know exactly what is going to happen which I seriously doubt.

That's kind of my point. They go into the debate and spout all of this BS that we don't believe (and neither do they) and the whole time we all know that what we are buying tonight is not what will be delivered on 1-20-09. What they say doesn't matter. If you liked McCain/Palin before this debate then she did a bang up job and exceeded expectations by kicking ol' Joe square in his nuts. If you liked Obama/Biden then Palin was a trite little soccer mom, caught in the headlights, and not very good at answering questions between reciting what was on her flashcards. The truth is that neither version is true or false. Election years generally piss me off because otherwise very intelligent people somehow forget to filter out their own bias when evaluating the candidates' performances.

Does any group besides fathers for justice use purple flour to symbolize equality?

The GOP is beginning to remind me of the 2008 Olympic French swim team that was going to "smash" the American team. When they lost, they said, "it was by a mere fingerlength that we did not win----it means nothing!"


Any republican who doesn't see that Sarah is moronic and that McCain is about to snap needs a reality check. McCain has been looking like a rabid nutjob lately----I'll bet it's due to the Stunning Stupidity of Sarah. someone didn't clue him in properly. She's a phony, know-nothing, dangerous person. Surely, surely, republicans really do know this.

Ah. I thought this was another "get used to Palin" thing.

Never mind.

Nice, monster.

Excellent, monster! Just the ticket!

Hahaha. Oh nice one monster:)

"Every sperm is sacred!" love that song.

And now we know why Radar doesn't like her....Sarah Palin Baby Name Generator :lol:

there was one bit of the SNL Couric interview satire where i thought they took it to far. turns outthat part of the script was verbatim. :eek:



I gotta say though, I'm reminded of the axim "there's no such thing as bad publicity".... everyone's talking about her, who's talking about whatisname, Obama's sidekick?

Not since the Lloyd Bentsen/Dan Quayle debate have I had occasion to look around and wonder if there are people who only pretended to watch the debate. Seriously? Seriously! What a difference 20 years doesn't make.

I couldn't "watch" watch it -we had it on in the background. Sitting there concentrating fully would have been too painful. besides, I can't vote anyway so it just depresses me...

Yeah, it wasn't really "regurgitating on cue", as it was at random, not on cue, and she was reading from index cards.

No she wasn't.

Rabbits! Rabbits, I say!

Krinkle Bearcat Palin. lmao!

She recited them from memory.

Well, she did occasionally glance down at something she had on her podium, but mostly she looked at the camera.

Doesn't really matter. Biden is leaps and bounds above her in knowledge and experience, and that showed in the debate.

Doesn't really matter. McCain is leaps and bounds above Obama in knowledge and experience... and he is running for President.