Yeah, that's why I'm a democrat. :D

Then I stand corrected: all republickins are alike. :p

Awesome on the button, Nirvana!:) If that takes off, like "shit happens" or the smiley face thing...I want full credit and financial compensation!

Okay, my two cents. :2cents:

On one hand, we've got a black guy with a white guy as his No. 2......

On the other, a white guy with a white girl as his No. 2......

Either way, history is gonna be made. Either way, a black guy or a white girl is going to be having a hell of a lot of fun here in a few months in places where they haven't in hundreds of years. In my opinion, I don't really care, just as long as Dubya gets the hell out. Is that enough of a reason?
I'm not registered at all, as anything, and I've been pondering which side to take, but with these current developments, I'm about to go to the polls in November and write in Mickey Mouse. Or Undertoad. Or HLJ. Why not.

Speaking of history, a little side thought: Black men were allowed to vote before any women were; it's only fitting a black man can be president first. :right:

well, lord knows we should make sure we're taking turns with the white house. it's the fair thing, right?

I think fair would be the best person for the job. When did that happen last, again?

Never.

probably the last time... oh wait, never. we don't let the best people for the job anywhere near the race for the job.

or more likely they choose not to run while they sit at their desk making millions thinking, "President? Eff that. It's none of your business who I screwed, what I smoked, how much money I make, or when I think life begins - I ain't runnin'."

OR how many houses I have!


I, myself, forget how many I have, too. :eyebrow:

He did answer that question Bri. His family has three homes they use. They have a number of real estate investments, some of which are condos. why is that a problem?

coz when first asked, he said he'd have to check...he didn't answer before he had to "check"-----now. Do YOU have to check to see how many houses you have? My dad has many----but he KNOWS how many and where the hell they are, too. 'Course, my dad's only 80, so...

anyway, I KNOW you're a republican, lookout. I know you love your country; I do, too. I DID like McCain at the beginning...but now, he's seeming kind of out of touch with the rest of us. And, I'm your worst nightmare, Lookout. I wanted Hillary in the House! You can see we will never agree here, but I still love you!

Bri, I am not a republican. I'm fiscally conservative which isn't very republican friendly these days. Socially my liberal/conservative rankings move based on the issues. and here's the thing - i DIDN'T like John McCain. I'm still not a big fan. I believe there are better choices, unfortunately I don't believe any of them are in the race at this point so I am tentatively supporting McCain.

I don't like Hilary for a number of reasons but I would have preferred her to Obama.

I don't like Obama because it was obvious when he spoke at the convention in '04 that the newbie was being groomed for a run. He is a fantastic speaker when on the teleprompter, but he gets away with not saying much. Those are the nitpicky things I don't like. beyond that I don't like his ideas on healthcare, taxes, or foreign policy. but that's just me - i only get one vote, just like you.

my point on the McCain thing was - big friggin deal, the guy didn't know how many pieces of property he owns. He's rich. Really freaking rich and they're just investments to him and his family. There are better things to critique a candidate on than the soundbyte issues.

That was my point four years ago and it will be my point in four more years. Look at the issues and don't get sidetracked by the easy cheesy media blurbs. (D's = McCain's houses, R's = Obama's religion)

*and no I don't have to check before answering - I only own two houses and I worry about those every day. They make up a very very large part of my net worth. The very wealthy don't worry about individual investment holdings on a daily basis.

You speak wise words, lookout.

We don't agree on some things, but I like what you said up there.

Sorry, Lookout, for assuming you were a Republican. My bad. I guess I automatically think "republican" when I think "fiscally conservative", but that's family history stuff, so, no worries.


and, i was just trying to "be cute," as they say. His richness doesn't really bother me, hell, Cindy's the one with the dough. And as for "elitist", like Jon Stewart, I say, "hell YES I want somebody better than me to lead the country!" so elitism doesn't bother me overmuch. I want my prez to be educated in the finest schools, not embarrass our country whilst overseas, know things I've never even thought of...all that stuff. I just am on a McCain dump as I don't like his choice of running mate and I truly DO think he's out of touch.

I also agree that I want someone running the country who is better than ME! I also believe that the leader of the free world should be a good speaker, and that good speaking is a good barometer (but not always) of intelligence.

McCain is not horrible in those aspects, that's for sure. I just don't see him speaking for "me" whereas Obama is more along the line of my sensibilities.

I'll say it loud and clear in front of the Cellar and FSM and everyone: I WANTED HILLARY!

Let the flames begin. :)

I agree. I think he is out of touch. I also believe Obama is out of touch. I prefer McCain's decision to not pretend he's a middle class guy who knows what it's like to live paycheck to paycheck, worrying about the price at the pump. He's rich, admits he's rich but knows not everyone is and he knows they are the people who vote.

are you saying we should burn that witch at the stake?!?:eek: ;)

Throw her in the pond and see iffin' she floats? ;)

Hey, you're not holding her down the right way, Bill! :D

Don't try to hump her leg with the Secret Service watching.;)

I'm with lookout. My first reaction when I saw this was, "Well duh." She seems like such an obvious choice to me. If Hillary had won the Democratic nomination, you can bet your ass McCain would have picked a Black man or a Hispanic man. (And he definitely would not have picked a woman in that case, for the same reason that he could never pick a black man now that he's running against Obama--because it would be like offering that community a consolation prize; it would be seen as hugely offensive.)

Palin bothers me on a gut level - body language, expressions, that sort of thing. I'll dig into the issues now that there is a running mate and try to not let my twitching antennae rule my vote, (but they are good antennae...) No matter who I like I should vote for the other candidate because I have never voted for anyone who won. So although I can't tell you will win, I can be pretty sure who will lose.

That's the point. The houses are actually owned by his wife. They are her investments. I don't think he knows because he could really care less.

All yours Shawnee, when it makes you wealthy enough to have 7 homes, just remember I want a motor home! :)

I predicted that McCain would chose Palin. His choice was clear after Obama's speech. Any other VP pick and that pick would be eaten alive by the energized Democratic machine. All the Democracts would say about Palin is that she's 'inexperienced'. As a rabid fan of Obama, I know that a successful mother of five can gain and draw as much experience to do anything as the most seasoned diplomat. Just because she isn't paid for motherhood, it doesn't mean her experience being a mother doesn't count. After all, she also have to 'mother' the dysfunctional government of Alaska, the sneaky oil companies, and the now-disowned Ted Stevens.

Yes, deadbeater, but she's also pro-life. That probably won't win a lot of Hilary supporters over. And, truly, do you think being a mother prepares you to deal with foreign policy? come on.

Only if you assume people were supporting Hillary because of her political stance. There are a significant number, though no one can really know how many, who were supporting her because she is a woman.

McCain's running mate won't be any help to him at all, unless it's to help him get his depends undergarments on. She's got no real experience, she's under investigation for corruption, she faked a pregnancy recently to hide the fact that her teenage daughter was pregnant, and she actually doesn't believe in evolution. Anyone over the age of 6 who doesn't believe in evolution is either retarded or insane.


McCain is under the false impression that merely having a white woman will help him snatch up all those Hillary voters. He's wrong. The Democratic party has united behind Obama. His speech the other day was one of the best I've ever heard. It was on a par with MLK's "I have a dream" speech, JFK's "Ask not what your country can do for you..." speech, and Roosevelt's "Day that will live in infamy" speech.

McCain couldn't have chosen a better candidate to guarantee Obama will win.

I must admit though, they do look good together.


http://wonkette.com/wp-content/uploa...ccainpalin.jpg

Her daughter gave birth to a son with down syndrome. She pretended she was pregnant to hide the fact that such a holy roller actually had a pregnant teenage daughter.

Lincoln was a republican mass murderer....just like George W. Bush and his clone John McCain.

I doubt anyone will flame you for wanting Hillary. I'm sure you, and all of the real Hillary supporters (not republicans pretending to be angry Hillary supporters) will now back Barack Obama as Hillary and Bill Clinton are doing.

It's this simple....

If you like the job Bush has done wrecking our economy, attacking our civil rights, launching an unwarranted, unprovoked, and unconstitutional war of aggression against a nation that posed no threat to ours, if you like American kids dying without cause while not even defending America, and you want a lot more of the same....vote for McCain.


If you'd prefer a man of honor, integrity, honesty, character, moral fiber, eloquence, and class who will lead America into the right direction for a change and a man who looks at military force as a last resort rather than a first resort, and you are tired of having Washington insiders who make backroom deals running the country....vote for Obama.

Now Radar, none of this antebellum, 'ain't nothing wrong with slavery' nonsense. If I were in the south in 1864, I'll join the Union and try to kill every slave owner myself.

The civil war wasn't about slavery.

Surely, surely you have some sort of cite to offer for this assertion.

Palin is no 'maverick' or 'change' candidate. She's a right-wing, theofascist nutjob. And don't forget the troopergate scandal, in which Palin allegedly misused her power as governor by bringing inappropriate pressure for two employees to be fired. And how, as recently as last spring, she was 'out to lunch' on Iraq. Oh, and her praise of Obama's energy plan over McCain's, which was later scrubbed from the site.

from Newsweek:

First off, I'm sorry I did not read any postings prior to this, just wanted to put in my two cents.

I, being the politically uneducated college student I am, think it's McCain's move to get Hillary voters and make the statement "I can be diverse too!" But if McCain wins, I don't think she'll do shit. Absolutely fucking nothing. Unless he dies, which I think will most likely happen. Then she'll take over. But the thing is....she's a fucking governor. Of fucking Alaska. Governor ain't no congressman or woman. It's a governor. I'd be scared of that shit, forreal.

Governors are better suited to deal with the tasks required of the office of President than senators are. It is akin to executive experience.

Newsweek is trying to find a negative where there is none. McCain hit a homer, and the lefties are digging for dirt.

I really think they are in a bit of a panic mode.

I know i'm a fine one to talk about partisanism, but come on... any legitimate concerns about her are just democrats digging for dirt?

If you saw the body language during Palin's acceptance speech between her and McCain it looked to me like they were in panic mode. I think they had to get someone to hold up applause signs off camera because the crowd seemed a bit shocked into silence. His speech beforehand was littered with talking to the podium, then awkward looking up and insincere staring at the crowd smiles. Everyone seemed a bit uncomfortable. It was like they were the skunks at a picnic and neither wanted to smell the other.

I think it's hilarious. I mean the guy is 72 so why not go out with style. He dosn't have much to lose.

For people like me, who dislike tyrants much more than they'd ever dislike Republicans, that is a selling point.

Not too many objections from this quarter.

Purest balderdash, each and every word. You're wrong. Taking out Saddam at the time we did was like taking Hitler out during Sudetenland -- much less trouble than it was later, no? We were wise enough to time taking down a tyrant when it was easier, you purblind dupe! Your opinion shouldn't even count with you, so ill-informed and baseless is it. Why can you not accept that destroying tyrants liberates people?! Shame on you ten billion times for your myopia and your inability at foreign policy.


Sucker. And you claim a superior intellect??? Ha ha. Trouble with Obama is he's in the party that has sought nothing but substitutes for victory, which means it's a party of tyrant-loving, therefore honor-challenged, morons with no capacity for strategy. Such associations cannot nurture integrity, wisdom, or national success. The original Carter was unsuccessful enough -- where's any necessity for a repeat?

Class and eloquence Obama is gifted in. We shall see what transpires with this in the future.

First resort? The historical record that you are ignoring top to bottom, radar (again, your beyond stupid irrational antiRepublican prejudices, carefully and with malice cultivated to floridity, are plain), says otherwise. You are wrong, and you won't make yourself right. You haven't even enough integrity or character to read and digest Gerson's Heroic Conservatism, which sets the record convincingly straight on the Bush Presidency. I challenge you to do this, considering it 80 percent likely you will fail the challenge, because a closed irrational mind can't be anything but a stupid one. Your failure is grotesque, your opinion valueless.

I agree with Mercenary here. We tend not to make Presidents out of Senators -- the present election bucks that trend. We tend to make them out of state Governors. So why not Veeps?

because Kos thinks so? That's your citation?

Wow.

Close enough. ;)

i'm not sure i buy that.

I wouldn't smack a dog on the evidence given there.
A nasty little conspiracy theory which - as most conspiracy theories do - ignores the obvious. If the "cover story" sounds suspicious it's probably true. Truth has discrepancies and inconveniences in it.

I'd be more interested if people were questioning her family values because she gave a speech and took an 11 hour plane flight while leaking amniotic fluid from a known Downs Syndrome pregnancy in her eighth month. Also she went back to work after 3 days leaving her premature special needs baby.

Normally I'd say - how dare you question a politician about a baby, just because she's a woman. But in America, politicians make decisions about contraception, sex education and abortion which affect other women, their bodies and their babies, so I think if a politician - male OR female - makes a pro-life stand they open themselves up to questions about their own personal family life.

All very interesting, but as I say I think the teenage daughter pregnancy is a nasty smear and not worth following up.

Archaeologists found a 10,000 year old body near to Cheddar (the so-called Cheddar Man). They were able (I know not how) to do some kind of chromosomal analysis against which they compared the local male population. They found descendants. !0,000 years and still livin' in Cheddar :P

I've been to Cheddar - I don't think they've changed much ;)

Dan Quayle never lived in the White House, the VP residence is in the Naval Observatory.

non-sequitur much?

(you have no idea how hard it is to spell non-sequitur drunk off your ass. if its still wrong, sorry.)

(whoops, brian posted while i was typing. my comment was to dana. whats the cheddar man got to do with how bad palin is?)

Apparently the speculation about the kid actually being a grandkid, is all based on this photo of her on Super Tuesday, a month before she announced she was 7 months pregnant. Pretty scant, as some women, especially very fit ones, don't show much at 6 months.

She wasn't especially fit, and I've heard of obese women that didn't know they were pregnant until they went into labor.

Here's an interesting thought someone had on a blog...

August 30, 2008...8:50 pm
Food for Thought on the Palin-Baby Story
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Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC): “I don’t know where she’s traveled to…But it’s not meeting people that matters. You know, President Bush met President Putin. And I don’t think it matters just meeting people. You look at people’s judgment.”

If the “official story” about Palin and her baby is true, then I question her judgment.

Her water breaks while she is in Texas. She chooses not to get medical attention, but to stay and give a speech. (Did anyone mop up after her?)

Then she gets on a commercial aircraft for a several-hour flight, without telling the flight attendants that her water had broken earlier that day. (How did she keep her seat dry?)

This was a premature delivery, and she did not seek medical attention for several hours, and endangered her baby by getting on board an aircraft where there would be no emergency facilities available for hours (or she would have forced an emergency landing enroute).

For someone “pro-life” she certainly showed a callous disregard for the health and safety of her baby.

There's also family photos with mommy not showing, but her daughter clearly has a baby bump.

http://media.adn.com/smedia/2008/03/...ffiliate.7.jpg

http://gov.state.ak.us/photos/PalinF...utside_v01.jpg