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For instance, if I had a company where people had to move bags of cement all day. If Bob can lift and move ten 50 lb bags of cement per minute, and Sally can only move 5, Sally should earn half of what Bob does. If the opposite is true, Bob should earn half of what Sally earns. If Bob can be drafted in the military and sent to the front line to fight, Sally should have the same chances of this happening to her. I expect a woman to open her own door just as I'd expect any man to do. I expect a woman to pay for her own dinner or drinks as any man would do. I am against any affirmative action programs to put more women or minorities in colleges. I would go purely based on standardized test scores, and nothing else. |
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I'll give an example. I've had guys join the team who had a decent skill set and job experience. But after getting the job, they thought they were too important to open computer boxes, or climb under desks to check cabling, or load servers onto racks.
They don't fit in well with the team. I expect everyone to put in a full day of work for a full day of pay. When I pay someone, I'm renting their labor for the day. It doesn't matter if I tell them to fix the mail server or sweep the floor. They do what needs to be done. This is the attitude I've always had, and the attitude I expect from those who work for me. My team likes to joke around with each other. I've seen people come here who couldn't take a joke, or who wanted a meeting every time someone was kidding around with them. They also don't fit in...plus they are a lawsuit waiting to happen. I don't want 'em. |
What were their names?
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You can have the best trailer in the whole trailer park. You can have a penthouse in New York. You could have several PhD's or a GED. It wouldn't matter to me unless you were applying to work for me and I think the chances of that are pretty slim. I will tell you this, if your name was actually "monster", you wouldn't get hired. |
I agree that names can be a burden and should be chosen carefully. That's about all I can agree with you on this topic, however.
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Maybe a wake-up call? Of course, what would I know about such things when I scrub it out collecting cans off the edge of the freeway to get the recycling deposit to pay my rent.... giving the odd blowjob to a hobo for a buck a piece (if I'm lucky...) |
Radar, are you arguing against unusual names because you think the name was given by usual parents who probably raised the child in an unusual way and that way would be incompatible with the more traditionally named and reared employees? And would it matter if parents named the person or the person changed names when reaching legal age? I'm curious.
Check my post count, I'm new here, be gentle. I'm curious, not confrontational. |
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Do your employers ever see what you post here? I find it hard to believe they could support this crap. Especially the bit about rejecting resumes on the basis of first name not being racist. No wonder you were so touchy when i brought up your job. |
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btw, it's affect. I would have said something earlier, but I didn't want to make you look stupid until you'd done it for yourself.... ;) |
I make $85,000 per year and I wasn't bragging. I did get new contracts very easily, but I don't do that anymore. I've taken a permanent job as the I.T. Director for a movie company so I can have something with a bit more stability for my wife and daughter.
Since taking this job, I've been getting a lot of calls (some for a lot more money) to go back to doing contract consulting, but I won't take it. The going rate for a network manager in this part of California averages less than what I earn. Some people make a lot more money doing this, and some make less. I make enough. I took the job for it's growth potential and because I'll get to build the network from the bottom up because the last guys they had didn't know shit. I've historically worked for very large companies where I was one cog in a giant machine. I've seen how bureaucracy kept them from doing what was best for their networks and how resistant they were to change. Now I'm in a job where I get to make 100% of the decisions and where the network will be exactly the way it should be. That alone is worth taking a hit in the wallet. Besides, once the job is done, I'll be getting a very big bump. LOL @ blowing hobos for a buck. That was actually very funny. :) |
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If a person changed their legal name, I'd have no way of knowing. I might be surprised and have a great employee I can depend on. I might also find someone who comes to work with a green mohawk, tatoos a swastika on their forehead, and pierces their cheek after a month on the job and who shows up late everyday. All I'm saying is it's wrong for parents to do this to their kids. Have a little compassion and understanding. Don't pretend that they won't be picked on because that's the kind of world you WISH it would be. Don't let your kids get beaten up because you want to be Rosa Parks. |
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But if you could only interview one of them? Which one would you choose? |
...and what if they were called Ocean and Mary and you could only interview one?.......
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I wrote a poem titled Needius Worse than Ever based on a real man named Needius Grubb.
I have taken care of a woman named Tequila. |
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you should also throw away half the resumes without even looking at them to eliminate all the unlucky candidates.
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so, I guess if you name your kid "Barack" he'll never get anywhere in life, huh? Like, say, becoming a Senator?
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The name issue is a valid discussion if everyone drops the knee jerk sensitivity for a minute. I've long held the belief that names DO matter. They aren't the end all be all ingredient in a person's fate, but they do matter, with boys especially. I have always said that some names will either lead the boy to be a super stud that everyone flocks around or a nerd that is left out and picked on. Evidence is only anecdotal but it is interesting.
I went to school with two guys named Doyle. Physically they were built about the same, dad's worked in the same factory so same money, pretty much everything about them was at least similar. Except Doyle S was made fun of for his girlie dork name from the time we were in first grade. People would pick on him and he'd shuffle his feet and had no way to respond. Funny thing is that the other Doyle didn't get picked on for his name very often. He became a stereotypical badass. The girls swooned for him, the guys surrounded him, the football team caught his passes. The name matters only to the degree that the kid is able to define his personality. Unfortunately, it can cause a kid some disadvantage early on that can carry into adult life. I think the real problem in this thread is that Radar, as usual, takes a valid point, takes an extreme stance on it, and uses his usual tactics from How to Win Friends and Influence People to convince everyone of his superior viewpoint. |
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Seems like Barack wasn't a such convenient name for a kid. |
Monster has already said this but we can't use our childhood experiences to guide us here on this one. Times have changed, and kids today are much more tolerant of "different" names than when we were younger. Since Columbine, the schools have gone to great lengths to teach kids not to bully each other and it appears to be working, based on what I've seen in my town.
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Fair enough. I'm not overly concerned about either way. I named both my boys John so they're safe.
OK, not really. One of my boys has an older out of favor name, the other has a name that is ambiguous. |
I grew up with a somewhat unusual name...I think what caused people to pick on my name was its existence in so many stories and commercial avenues..."Casey at the Bat", "Casey Jones", "KC and the Sunshine Band", "Kacey Fine Furniture", and "Casey the talking Robot" were all terms I was expected to answer to. I won't even begin to relay the slaughterings my 13 letter German last name got. I go by "Case" now, because it is more unique than "Casey" which seems to have grown in popularity since I was a kid. Also, my family always called me "Case." I find it odd when people call me Casey, now. What is even worse, though, is my brother's name is Justin.
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I went to school with two casey's. They were both HAAAWWWT! They only got picked on until boys figured out how to get their attention in more appropriate ways.
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Radar, it seems to me that your more concerned about how people look and what their names are, rather than how they do their job.
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....LOFL - - - you are priceless dude - effin' priceless! |
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That's what I'd call an ambiguous statement. |
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But, back to the topic at hand: Radar, couldn't you have made your daughter's life considerably easier by giving her a WHITE mamma? Can you imagine how badly she'll be picked on for being a half-breed? No? That's racist, huh? Then lay off the name game. I've been picked on for my name at the grade school playground. I also have a gender-ambiguous name (as far as many Americans are concerned) -- and it hasn't harmed me worth a damn. I'm proud of my name, and proud of my parent's determination to give me at least one thing from my heritage that will stay with me throughout my life. I appreciated it so much that I did not change my name when I got married. I am successful, well-educated, well-respected by my colleagues, and most importantly, I am happy with who I am. Why would I pander to an idiot such as yourself? |
On the topic of funny names... Oh, I see a lot. I work for state government, dealing with child care and child care providers, and you wouldn't believe some of the names. A few of my favorites:
Sparkle Ware (I think it sounds like the next Rubbermaid/Tupperware product.) Terry Berry (Really?) Daniel Daniels (REALLY?!?!) and last but not least..... Harold Butts. That kid is going to be called "Harry Butts." I don't imagine he'll make it out of 3rd grade alive. |
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I had a client at the law office I used to work for who was "blessed" with the first name Delight. It wouldn't have been so bad if her last name hadn't been Cox.
Another client was named Lucky Wang. (and yes, these were their real, birth names. We had copies of all their IDs on file.) When I worked in a library, we had a student who's 1st name was Ufuk. I never had the guts to ask him how he pronounced it. |
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A shack, a decrepit old house. Still I think that he will be your next president. Has for me, you would'nt believe my name. I'm a Mohawk and I go by my indian name and nobody ever laught at me and I do quite good moneywise. I got hired because I'm really good at what I do and they did'nt care about my name. To bad that everybody can't have the same chance I had. As usual, sorry for the bad spelling and bad English |
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And you get called after a rather veteran knife manufacturer. My idea of a decline-of-the-West homegrown country name is the possibly inevitable little girl named "Apostrophe." Perhaps this is a name that should never appear IRL but only as a character name in a satirical work. Alize, I think, is real -- in Francophone countries. Haiti, for one. |
I did, however, have to explain to the wife that a girl-child would better be named "Elizabeth Enterprise R_______ than "Enterprise Elizabeth R_____" with school systems' penchant for first name, middle initial registration and record keeping. I had to cite my own experience with going by my middle name and not the first name I share with Pater.
Such a daughter could go through life knowing "Enterprise is my middle name!" and always feel ready to attempt mighty deeds. And if she thinks it a little too corny or seventeenth-century New England -- where my ancestry and numerous of my ancestors both lie -- she could discreetly veil it behind a middle initial. |
I'm beginning to get the overall impression that Radar has a wide and ill-concealed streak of xenophobia. It explains much of the attitude set forth in his posts.
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I have a serious question I'd like to ask. I've known a lot of people named Richard. To me the natural shortening of this name is Rick or Rich. Why would anyone with the name Richard choose to be called "Dick"? |
Especially if your last name was Trickle! :speechls:
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I spent a couple of months being teased about my surname. Which was Robinson FFS. Children will pick on anything, it doesn't have to make sense.
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I know someone named Mike Hunt. I keep thinking, "why, would they do it?"
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My cousin was seriously considering naming his son Michael Hawk....
Similar to Mike Hunt |
Perhaps one of these days parents will learn to follow the Internet practice of letting kids choose their own names and change them at will. Would I have picked sweetwater? Probably not. I do have another name I use in most other sites and have been seriously considering making it my legal name. My parents would hate it, but it would make a nice turnabout.
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Yeah, I knew a girl in high school named Amanda Touch. That ended up being great fun when my friends started dating her.
I guess this one's hearsay, but one of my friends works in delivery rooms. One woman had twins and hadn't thought of names for them yet. So she looked over at her dinner tray and brilliantly came up with the names LeMonjelo and Oronjelo (I'm guessing at the spelling, I'm sure there's probably at least three apostrophes in each name). |
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That totally reminds me of being in the Army... there was this MSG who was African-American, and his last name was "Negrow".... I just called him by title whenever I had to address him.... most terrifying time of my LIFE. |
And did I mention my HS principals' name was Seymor Hyman?
True! And no, his parents were NOT Gynocologists. |
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Really? Your friend? Take a dekko at Snopes for that one |
Yes, my actual friend. Want her number?
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oooh, tempting... but I'm taken.... ;)
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So either she was lying, or as usual, people put everything they can think of on Snopes. Either way, I don't really care. I said it was hearsay, so congratulations on making me look like an idiot or whatever, I'll go put myself in the corner now.
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They show Long Dong as an urban Legend. I really knew someone with that name.
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[Mo]I went to school with Amanda Huginkiss. [/Mo] :rolleyes:
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