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bluecuracao 10-07-2007 01:15 AM

OK, fine.

Monkeyboy claims that the rest of your body will exert some force on the scale. I can see that. But I still think it wouldn't be far off the mark.

ZenGum 10-07-2007 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lumberjim (Post 392705)
how would you weigh someone's head...if you wanted to go about it. short of weighing, beheading and re-weighing?


Quote:

Originally Posted by lumberjim (Post 392724)
stop picturing that. right now. im not doing it

Agreed, it is quite inefficient. Why weigh, behead, and weigh again, when you could just behead and weigh the head? :behead:

To be charitable, maybe Bluecuracao was suggesting that you do the lie-down-with-your-head-on-the-scales technique. This would give a pretty close reading, if the scales are pretty thin and sit on the floor. Although it raises the question of how much neck should be counted as "head". (cue Linda Lovelace reference :sick2: closest thing to a blowjob smilie I could find ).

PS Yes BMI shouldn't be taken too seriously. It makes no allowance for whether the person is 230 pounds of flabby fat or 230 pounds of steely muscle. But it is a starting guide to comparing people's height/weight ratios.

bluecuracao 10-07-2007 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenGum (Post 392729)
To be charitable, maybe Bluecuracao was suggesting that you do the lie-down-with-your-head-on-the-scales technique.

You're absolutely right, that's exactly what I was thinking.

Mockingbird 10-07-2007 02:01 AM

The average head is about 8 lbs total or something, isn't it?

DanaC 10-07-2007 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanaC
My ex used to say, if we ever had kids, we'd better bottle feed em to save em from starvation.:P

Quote:

I wonder if comments like this helped him earn the status of "ex".


*chuckles* nah. It was in humour and never meant cruelly.

DucksNuts 10-07-2007 06:39 AM

awww c'mon LJ, do it, do it, do it!!!!

And Jinx, take pics!

Aliantha 10-07-2007 06:52 AM

I bet his head doesn't weigh as much as he thinks it does. lol

ZenGum 10-07-2007 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 392758)
I bet his head doesn't weigh as much as he thinks it does. lol

Agreed. 40 pounds ... 18kg ... surely not. mediocre "big head" comments aside.

Given that the human body has slightly less density than water, this gives us various ways to approximate the weight of various parts based on their volume.

Easiest is to find a container of water that is about the same size as the body part, in this case, LJ's head. I'm thinking of 4 liter (roughly, gallon) containers as being pretty close to a human head. So we are looking at 4 or 5 kilograms, 10 to 12 pounds.

Also consider that typical human brain capacity is about 1300 to 1400 ccs, 1.3 to 1.4 liters. Roughly triple that (since lots of the head isn't brain) and again we are approaching 4 liters, 4 kilograms, 10 pounds.

If we want to go to greater lengths we could do an Archimedes type measurement. LJ gets into a large bath with just his head above the water, marks water level, submerges head, marks water level, calculates volume displaced, multiply by density of body... but then we have to allow for the hollow places in the head: mouth, sinus, ears etc.

I guess the scales thing would be easier. Please do it LJ, now I am itching to know.

Aliantha 10-07-2007 07:15 AM

lol...yes well, for one thing, I need to see pics of him with his head on the scales.

For another, I still think it'll be fairly light on.

ZenGum 10-07-2007 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lumberjim (Post 392585)

(snip)

... your wife would leave you for me.

(Snip)

my head weighs 40 lbs alone!

It has just occurred to me, in the context of this extremely selective quotation (apologies LJ), that we are all making a presumption about which "head" LJ was referring to. :eek:

That's twice I've needed a big dick smilie.

I'd just like to add that I'm not normally so focused on penis size. Its just been coming up. :blush: so to speak.

Aliantha 10-07-2007 07:24 AM

ok, I need to confirm that I was talking about the head on his shoulders. lol I definitely have not been spending time thinking of jimbo's wang on the scales.

Sundae 10-07-2007 07:52 AM

For the record, Dana looks like an athlete, not scarecrow skinny, and no sign of an overhang that I was aware of.

lumberjim 10-07-2007 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 392764)
ok, I need to confirm that I was talking about the head on his shoulders. lol I definitely have not been spending time thinking of jimbo's wang on the scales.

you lie........

Aliantha 10-07-2007 09:59 PM

lol...I do not. :alien:

lumberjim 10-07-2007 10:15 PM

you got a visual while you typed your previous post.....and if you didn't, you have one now....

Aliantha 10-07-2007 10:39 PM

ahuh...and would you like me to describe it?

lumberjim 10-07-2007 10:40 PM

erm.....noooo. not so much.

DucksNuts 10-07-2007 11:39 PM

I would :)

Aliantha 10-07-2007 11:41 PM

I'd love to share ducksy, but I'll let jimbo keep his dignity instead. :alien:

DucksNuts 10-07-2007 11:57 PM

Whats with you and that friggen smiley?

Aliantha 10-08-2007 12:00 AM

I like it. :alien:

ZenGum 10-08-2007 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DucksNuts (Post 392981)
Whats with you and that friggen smiley?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 392984)
I like it. :alien:

Its not a smiley, its her picture! Look at her username, Aliantha. One step off Alientha! Clearly she is an extra-terrestrial. Cool.

I for one welcome our new overlords. :welcome:

Aliantha 10-08-2007 12:31 AM

You're just afraid we're going to eat you Zen.

ZenGum 10-08-2007 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 393002)
You're just afraid we're going to eat you Zen.

Exactly. Another advantage of being so thin. What are you gonna do, feast on the well-built LJ, or pick over my stringy bones?
I'll even help round up the "prime eaters" if you like. :borg:

(It was either interpret it this way or start using our new blowjob smilies ... :bj4: :bj3: :bj: :bj2: .... and why would I be afraid of that? Actually, didn't want to get TOO personal.)

Aliantha 10-08-2007 12:46 AM

well it's always good to get in with the new overlords, regardless of how you do it.

Some people get very personal on this site. Have you not visited the nsfw threads yet?

ZenGum 10-08-2007 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 393007)
well it's always good to get in with the new overlords, regardless of how you do it.

Some people get very personal on this site. Have you not visited the nsfw threads yet?

Indeed, "some people" do. I try to find my own standards, I try not to offend people, unless it is on purpose and that is very rare.
I see a difference between talking about blowjobs in the abstract, and suggesting to a specific person that they are offering me one.

(on the other hand, I did raise the topic of LJ's penis size, but it was meant in a flattering way).

Mockingbird 10-08-2007 01:48 AM

What is it with you and eating folks, Ali?

I'm not turning my back on you when utensils are around.

Aliantha 10-08-2007 01:54 AM

I think I'm hungry.

ZenGum 10-08-2007 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 393027)
I think I'm hungry.

Thus returning beautifully to the thread topic: how is your body shape?

Poetry.

Aliantha 10-08-2007 02:08 AM

plenty of curves. lol maybe not quite as many as jimbo though.

TheMercenary 10-08-2007 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenGum (Post 392759)
Agreed. 40 pounds ... 18kg ... surely not. mediocre "big head" comments aside.

Given that the human body has slightly less density than water, this gives us various ways to approximate the weight of various parts based on their volume.

Easiest is to find a container of water that is about the same size as the body part, in this case, LJ's head. I'm thinking of 4 liter (roughly, gallon) containers as being pretty close to a human head. So we are looking at 4 or 5 kilograms, 10 to 12 pounds.

Also consider that typical human brain capacity is about 1300 to 1400 ccs, 1.3 to 1.4 liters. Roughly triple that (since lots of the head isn't brain) and again we are approaching 4 liters, 4 kilograms, 10 pounds.

If we want to go to greater lengths we could do an Archimedes type measurement. LJ gets into a large bath with just his head above the water, marks water level, submerges head, marks water level, calculates volume displaced, multiply by density of body... but then we have to allow for the hollow places in the head: mouth, sinus, ears etc.

I guess the scales thing would be easier. Please do it LJ, now I am itching to know.

It might be easier to just lay on a table with the head hanging off the side and the neck in a completely relaxed mode and limp. Place an electronic scale under the head and lift it till it is in a completely neutral position in line with the neck. That should give you a fairly close estimate.

Or you could look here:
http://danny.oz.au/anthropology/note...ad-weight.html

And then we have the complete in depth discussion by people who have already started thinking about the issue:

http://ask.metafilter.com/36836/Head-Weight

binky 10-08-2007 10:00 AM

I'm in the 50+ lbs overweight club, in spite of eating pretty normally, and walking 2.5 miles a day (to and from work)

monster 10-08-2007 10:23 AM

I eat pretty normally too.....

....for an entire freaking football team :redface:

ZenGum 10-08-2007 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 393069)

Great Link Merc.
I had realized that decapitation won't work because the blood loss would reduce the weight.

I think they have the solution:
"I think the solution probably involves being hung by your heels from a spring-scale with your head in a vat of liquefied heads to achieve neutral head buoyancy, and then subtracting the reading on the spring-scale from the known weight of your entire body." (from Dersins, user at the site Merc links to).

Brilliant! And I reckon we can get a grant to do it, and pass it off as performance art!

Although I am still concerned about the empty spaces in your mouth, nostrils, and ears. So you'd have to keep your mouth open in the vat of liquefied heads and let all that gooey goodness flow up your nose and into your ears...

Hope no one's eating as they read this. :vomitblu:

LJ, please do the scale thing. I do have a big vat of liquefied heads, but I don't have a spring scale. You're my only hope...

ZenGum 10-08-2007 11:28 PM

I just realized decapitation could work, provided you froze the subject to death (while lying down so as a reasonable amount of blood remains in the head) then removed the head and weighed it, including the frozen blood.

Free food for the homeless. Apply here, one at a time...

Aliantha 10-08-2007 11:29 PM

OK, I've had my suspicions for a couple of days now, but it's confirmed.

You are a sicko. :alien:

lumberjim 10-08-2007 11:37 PM

sorry....but the scale i use is at the gym. i'm not trying to lie down on that floor, thankyouverymuch. and not just because people would think i'm a looney.

ZenGum 10-09-2007 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 393341)
OK, I've had my suspicions for a couple of days now, but it's confirmed.

You are a sicko. :alien:

This from someone who wants to eat people. :alien: :yum:

Last time I give you free advice about English teaching then.

My interest is purely the advancement of human knowledge. And Alien knowledge too I suppose.
:lol:
All in fun.

monster 10-09-2007 08:55 AM

OK, I just added "Weight of a human head" to the list of potential science fair projects for the kids :D

ZenGum 10-09-2007 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lumberjim (Post 393344)
sorry....but the scale i use is at the gym. i'm not trying to lie down on that floor, thankyouverymuch. and not just because people would think i'm a looney.

Thanks, LJ, you have just made the mental image at least three times funnier.

I can imagine the conversations afterwards:
"So I'd just got out of the shower, right, and I went over to weigh myself, and there's this FREAK, right, laying on the ground with his head on the scales! I mean even without the tinea and stuff, what the hell is he trying to do? Look up my towel? What???" :crazy:

Ok, LJ, I'll let you off ... but surely, sometime, you will visit a friend who has a set of scales and a digital camera... pleeeeeaaaaaassseeeeeeee?

Of course, if you do dare to do it at the gym ... legend!

ZenGum 10-09-2007 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monster (Post 393384)
OK, I just added "Weight of a human head" to the list of potential science fair projects for the kids :D

Ok but for pity's sake don't let them read the techniques discussed here ... kids being kids, you know ...:behead:

monster 10-09-2007 09:29 AM

Dude, you have me rolling in the aisles. I missed the liquified head post before... I am so letting them read it. What's the betting they suggest suspending the 5yo with his head in a vat of ketchup? I might suggest they add some noodles.

:lol:

ZenGum 10-09-2007 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monster (Post 393393)
Dude, you have me rolling in the aisles. I missed the liquified head post before... I am so letting them read it. What's the betting they suggest suspending the 5yo with his head in a vat of ketchup? I might suggest they add some noodles.

:lol:

:lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:
Bahahahahahaha!
well, if you're willing to supervise the cleaning up, the medical treatment, the child therapy, the court appearances ... GO FOR IT!!!
but we MUST have pictures!!!

Just a thought: would a person float in ketchup? Project number two...

Cicero 10-09-2007 12:13 PM

I would have responded earlier- but there was a small draft and I blew away.
105 lbs. of hotness!!!!!


Well... ok you got me, I'm just 105 lbs.

ZenGum 10-09-2007 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cicero (Post 393440)
I would have responded earlier- but there was a small draft and I blew away.
105 lbs. of hotness!!!!!


Well... ok you got me, I'm just 105 lbs.

Crikey. What happened, some sicko cut off your 40 pound head and drop it into a vat of frozen ketchup and noodles or something?

How tall are you?

damn, I thought I had the lowest BMI in the cellar. You're a serious rival. And ... there can be .... only one...

Cicero 10-09-2007 01:20 PM

5 and 2.....Zen.Someone told me that I look like I'm only about 5 though...(yesterday morning)....They had just noticed that I'm "really damb short". Must be the dumpy thick clothes......

My mom deep fried my head in papers and wrapped it with pork,cabbage, and carrots. Cicero Lumpia. (loompia) I bet you have that in Japan even.

ZenGum 10-09-2007 01:23 PM

BMI Update:

Cicero......... 5'2, 105 lbs ... BMI 19.2

Shall we say: petite?

DanaC 10-09-2007 01:34 PM

How do you work out BMI?

I'm 5Ft 7 3/4 inches and weigh 133 lbs...what would my BMI be?

Cicero 10-09-2007 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenGum (Post 393476)
BMI Update:

Cicero......... 5'2, 105 lbs ... BMI 19.2

Shall we say: petite?

Still working your "small data sets"? Ha Haa!
I am......:D

And:http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/

Dana doesn't like my links anymore......

DanaC 10-09-2007 03:35 PM

My BMI is apparently 20.4 which puts me in the low end of healthy. I'm not sure what that really means though....

lumberjim 10-09-2007 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lumberjim (Post 392585)
those bmi's are full of shit.

i'd have to be 234 to be at 30% bmi....obese. if i was 230, your wife would leave you for me.

im morbidly obese at 277? kiss my ass. am not.

my head weighs 40 lbs alone!

I would have to be 8'2" to be 20 bmi according to that last link. it says i'm 35.6% i should be dead.

monster 10-09-2007 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cicero (Post 393473)
My mom deep fried my head in papers and wrapped it with pork,cabbage, and carrots. Cicero Lumpia. (loompia) I bet you have that in Japan even.

Did she leave it in a smoker?

ZenGum 10-09-2007 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lumberjim (Post 393567)
I would have to be 8'2" to be 20 bmi according to that last link. it says i'm 35.6% i should be dead.

BMI isn't a percentage. It is your weight in kilograms divided by the square of your height.
There are adjustments for non-metric units, wikipedia explains it well.

I'm just using it to compare the thinness of various people of different heights. I don't advocate BMI scores as a goal or as a very reliable predictor of health. It all depends on whether your weight is muscle or flab. Reading your posts, it sounds like you're mostly muscle.

ZenGum 10-09-2007 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cicero (Post 393473)
SNIP

My mom deep fried my head in papers and wrapped it with pork,cabbage, and carrots. Cicero Lumpia. (loompia) I bet you have that in Japan even.

in PAPERS?

Please tell me that is a typo. Peppers? Capers? The New York Times? Tally-hos? What?

lumberjim 10-10-2007 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenGum (Post 393601)
Reading your posts, it sounds like you're mostly muscle.

reading my posts, you'd think i had a cock made out of pure gold, and farted diamond dust.

but, srsly..... i'm not mostly muscle.....well....depends on what percentage you need for a majority, i guess.... but, damn. i'm not morbidly obese, either.

ZenGum 10-10-2007 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lumberjim (Post 393614)
reading my posts, you'd think i had a cock made out of pure gold, and farted diamond dust.

Well that would explain why the head weighs 40 pounds, then.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lumberjim (Post 393614)
but, srsly..... i'm not mostly muscle.....well....depends on what percentage you need for a majority, i guess.... but, damn. i'm not morbidly obese, either.

I think majority is anything over 50% ... but I don't think that's really the issue here. If you're happy, and your doctor isn't constantly freaking out, then why worry?

ZenGum 10-10-2007 09:10 AM

Further thoughts on how to weigh your head:

Hanging by the heels over a vat of liquefied heads would be inaccurate. The inverted position would cause an excessive amount of blood to flow to your head and increase its weight. Therefore, it would be better to float in a vat of liquefied bodies, with some kind of head-harness (a strap under the chin should do it, but a meat-hook up each nostril sounds much more interesting :lol: ) lifting your head out of the goop. Connect said harness to a spring scale and, voila! The (calibrated for apparatus weight) reading on the scale = the weight of your head. You don't even need to worry about keeping your mouth open. The only issue left is where to draw the line between head and neck.

And monster, for the kids' science project, you could replace the liquefied bodies with a water based liquid with the correct density. That becomes step one, calculate your density. First, weigh yourself, and then use a regular shaped bath to calculate your displacement. Do the maths. Then create a solution with the appropriate density. Start with water, and add other chemicals (I have no idea what - ask a chemistry major) to decrease the density as appropriate.

Still, the idea of being suspended by the heels over a vat of liquefied heads ... that is ART... and a smiley we need, but probably won't find.

kerosene 10-10-2007 09:16 AM

Mine appears to be 19.9 (???)

My husbands shows as 25, but he is nowhere near overweight...muscular. Hmm.

Does this mean I need to work out more?

Sundae 10-10-2007 11:34 AM

35.1 and there is no denying I'm obese

There is a higher category of morbidly obese, but Cicero's link doesn't give that - I may just be slipping under the radar there.

ZenGum 10-10-2007 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by case (Post 393640)
Mine appears to be 19.9 (???)

My husbands shows as 25, but he is nowhere near overweight...muscular. Hmm.

Does this mean I need to work out more?

nahh, for what BMI is worth you're both in the healthy range.

But, once again, these numbers are a generalization, and must be taken in context of everything else : % of fat/muscle, blood pressure, resting heart rate, etc etc.

If you do exercise, I guess you'd be aiming at building up, not reducing. Meh, you're doing fine. Watch some TV.


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