While I am making an assumption, true, it is one extrapolated from certain inclusions and certain absences in what tw writes. Assuming posts of a politico-philosophical nature are windows into a soul, well, I'm telling you what I see there. Any unpleasantness found there, I'd suggest, is tw's and tw's alone. His loud contempt, ill-disguised, for military and former military, in especial those military who fought for this Republic, comes through very clearly, yet he knows not whereof he speaks, not truly, not in depth. And yet he would convince you that he speaks from indepth knowledge? Oh, please.

To some degree, politics is something personal. With tw it is very much so. I've taken tw's measure and found him wanting. Now I get to tell him so, in detail, and watch him freak out at being stripped so naked. He's a very inferior specimen of a man, this tag-end representative of Communism, and as long as tw acts like tw, that will always be so. This is why his feud with me progresses so poorly -- he can't match me for character, but he must if he is to succeed at all.

You've seen the way tw acts -- now try imagining anyone marrying that. Imagine anyone going even far enough to be a girlfriend. Hard, isn't it? Nasty, pettish, petty, can't write, obssessive, inclined to the idee-fixe to the point of delusion, well-nigh humorless (the man never has fun, had you noticed?) and has he any grasp of playing fair or is it only grasping? -- yep, real LTR material he.

So, tw, are you ever going to step up and answer my direct question? You've posted once without doing so -- going to continue down the same road? No wonder you excite contempt.

Step up, you son of a poodle.

Reminds me of Howard Zinn from The Progressive, a real un-American.

My aunt has a poodle. It's name is Paris.

It's a very dopey dog.

Six calendar days later, and the anti-American son of a poodle has not stepped up. What an untermensch. He just can't hack it when better men than himself challenge him. No wonder we look down our noses.

Is this the last best hope of the anti-Americans?

I looked after a friend's poodle for a couple of weeks once. She was the daintiest dog I have ever seen. I don't mean pink fur and ribbons, she was straight-cut without the flourishes. The way she moved, so precise. Like watching a dancer.

One from the not sorry site - I just thought I'd get the thread back on track -

The speech George W. Bush SHOULD give

Normally, I start these things out by saying "My Fellow Americans."

Not doing it this time. If the polls are any indication, I don't know who more than half of you are anymore. I do know something terrible has happened, and that you're really not fellow Americans any longer.

I'll cut right to the chase here: I quit. Now before anyone gets all in a lather about me quitting to avoid impeachment, or to avoid prosecution or something, let me assure you: there's been no breaking of laws or impeachable offenses in this office.

The reason I'm quitting is simple. I'm fed up with you people.

I'm fed up because you have no understanding of what's really going on in the world. Or of what's going on in this once-great nation of ours. And the majority of you are too damned lazy to do your homework and figure it out.

Let's start local. You've been sold a bill of goods by politicians and the news media. Polls show that the majority of you think the economy is in the tank. And that's despite record numbers of homeowners including record numbers of MINORITY homeowners. And while we're mentioning minorities, I'll point out that minority business ownership is at an all-time high. Our unemployment rate is as low as it ever was during the Clinton Administration. I've mentioned all those things before, but it doesn't seem to have sunk in.

Despite the shock to our economy of 9/11, the stock market has rebounded to record levels and more Americans than ever are participating in these markets. Meanwhile, all you can do is whine about gas prices, and most of you are too damn stupid to realize that gas prices are high because there's increased demand in other parts of the world, and because a small handful of noisy idiots are more worried about polar bears and beachfront property than your economic security.

We face real threats in the world. Don't give me this ~blood for oil" thing. If I was trading blood for oil I would've already seized Iraq's oil fields and let the rest of the country go to hell. And don't give me this 'Bush Lied People Died' crap either. If I was the liar you morons take me for, I could've easily had chemical weapons planted in Iraq so they could be 'discovered.' Instead, I owned up to the fact that the intelligence was faulty. Let me remind you that the rest of the world thought Saddam had the goods, same as me. Let me also remind you that regime change in Iraq was official US policy before I came into office. Some guy named 'Clinton' established that policy. Bet you didn't know that, did you?

You idiots need to understand that we face a unique enemy. Back during the cold war, there were two major competing political and economic models squaring off. We won that war, but we did so because fundamentally, the Communists wanted to survive, just as we do. We were simply able to outspend and out-tech them.

That's not the case this time. The soldiers of our new enemy don't care if they survive. In fact, they want to die. That'd be fine, as long as they weren't also committed to taking as many of you with them as they can. But they are. They want to kill you. And the bastards are all over the globe.

You should be grateful that they haven't gotten any more of us here in the United States since September 11. But you're not. That's because you've got no idea how hard a small number of intelligence, military, law enforcement and homeland security people have worked to make sure of that. When this whole mess started, I warned you that this would be a long and difficult fight. I'm disappointed how many of you people think a long and difficult fight amounts to a single season of 'Survivor'.

Instead, you've grown impatient. You're incapable of seeing things through the long lens of history, the way our enemies do. You think that wars should last a few months, a few years, tops.

Making matters worse, you actively support those who help the enemy. Every time you buy the New York Times, every time you send a donation to a cut-and-run Democrat's political campaign, well, dammit, you might just as well Fedex a grenade launcher to a Jihadist.It amounts to the same thing.

In this day and age, it's easy enough to find the truth.

It's all over the Internet. It just isn't on the pages of the New York Times or on NBC News. But even if it were, I doubt you'd be any smarter. Most of you would rather watch American Idol.

I could say more about your expectations that the government will always be there to bailyou out, even if you're too stupid to leave a city that's below sea level and has a hurricane approaching. I could say more about your insane belief that government, not your own wallet, is where the money comes from. But I've come to the conclusion that were I to do so, it would sail right over your heads.

So I quit. I'm going back to Crawford. I've got an energy-efficient house down there (Al Gore could only dream) and the capability to be fully self-sufficient.

No one ever heard of Crawford before I got elected, and as soon as I'm done here pretty much no one will ever hear of it again. Maybe I'll be lucky enough to die of old age before the last pillars of America fall.

Oh, and by the way, Cheney's quitting too. That means Pelosi is your new President. You asked for it.

Watch what she does carefully, because I still have a glimmer of hope that there're just enough of you remaining who are smart enough to turn this thing around in 2008.

So that's it. God bless what's left of America.

Some of you know what I mean.

The rest of you, * off.

I agree with all of it. Every word.





Not because it's right, but because I'll agree with ANYTHING if it'll get rid of him.

Ibbie, that's being overly desperate -- and historically shortsighted. We had to put up with that same kind of crap from the Myopia & Treason lobby when Reagan was in office too -- and from some of the same highly placed Democrats, John Kerry not least. Reagan was right, and the M&T were hosed. Bush will be no different.

I have to disagree with you there UG -I think Bush, primarily because of Cheney, will be very different that Reagan.

Technically, we never really voted him in... so this is an oxymoron.
He stole both elections.
"Sorryabouthimnotbeinginprison.com" would be more like it.

Rkzenrage, can you give a good source about Bush stealing the elections? I've heard it all over the place but I haven't read a good source about it yet.

Thanks.

Rk was referring to the popular vote, I think.

I've heard stories about how in Florida, a large amount of blacks were denied votes because they were considered ex-convicts when they actually were not and that would have changed the outcome of Florida since the people would have voted democrat.

The second story I have heard deals with electronic voting in Ohio.

I just haven't seen any definite proof of either.

There were issues in FL with "hanging chads" and polls closing before people got to vote and and and. . . It is what it was -

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLI...recount.chads/

http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/

There is a ton of info if you google it. I am not as eloquent a writer as most on here - I am sure tw could post 80 pages on it and confuse you even more - perhaps Bruce could distill it best.

Naw, make him work for it. Bwahahahahahahaha.

Yes, I can... no I won't.
Why do you always ask me to look shit up for you?

That wasn't an attack on you rkzenrage, I just wanted to know if you had a source since it may be much quicker for you to find it since you may know what you are looking for. I support your opinion but just want definite proof so I can use it later, that was all.

Generally if you make a claim and someone asks for proof, they're asking because they're interested.

It is at this point that you may have the ability to sway someone's opinion.

I guess sometimes it's more fun just to argue though huh?

Poo Poo, if he does the work it will sink in.

The onus is on the person who makes the claim. Not the person asking for proof.

I thiink he's writing a paper on it for a summer class and he just
wants some free info ;)

OH well...that's different then.

Rkzen was letting a violent antipathy to Bush blind him to the historical truth of the matter: the 2000 election was won in the Electoral College and even the Democratic Party agrees won fair and square, even by the rules THEY tried to set up. 2004 election, won not only by Electoral College but by three and a half million popular votes more than the Democratic contender.

In both elections, the Republic dodged a bullet. The Loser Lobby took it in the shorts, and loud has been their outgribing since. Disgusting, really.

Both elections were won fair and square, as rational people will tell you. For one instance, I'm telling you. You can find about three and a half million more instances.

What percentage of US citizens actually vote at federal elections? (I know I should look it up myself and I probably will in the mean time. I'll share what I find with you.)

Well that was easy. Just look up the US census.

Sixty-four percent of U.S. citizens age 18 and over voted in the 2004 presidential election, up from 60 percent in 2000, the U.S. Census Bureau reported

Wow - I'm such a pessimist - I would have said less than 50%

There are some interesting figures on that page. Particularly this one: The turnout rate for people with a bachelor’s degree or higher (80 percent) was greater than the rate for people whose highest level of educational attainment was a high school diploma (56 percent).

T.P.M. Barnett did comment that "elections in the Core [the industrialized world, full of democracies and the like] are boring" and that elections in the New Core [emergent industrial economies] and Gap [hardly any economies at all], when available, are more life-and-death. With the strong implication that as the Gap develops enough to enter New Core (the Newer Core?) membership, elections will galvanize the populace less and less as they become more and more the stuff of routine.

Yeah, if they are trying to prove something to someone... true.

Elections purchased fair and square.