Your sand box , your world , do as you see fit UT !!

Hey...making a statement similar to this got me banned from one board. Admittedly I did say that it was a dictatorship, but in essence, that's what i meant. The bloke who pays the bills ultimately gets to decide what to do and who stays...regardless of who likes it and who doesn't.

This situation is different. :violin:

Marichiko is secretly in love with Undertoad and UT knows it! :joylove:

Mari, OTOH, knows that she could never come between Undertoad and his first love ... The Cellar. :heart-on:

UT is torn between two lovers [Mari and The Cellar], feeling like a fool, and as xoB pointed out they're breaking all the rules. :rtfm:

After banning marichiko; then; reinstating her ... :hugnkiss: ... Undertoad knows that breaking up is hard to do. :boxers:

This is The Cellar presentation of Fatal Attraction. :comfort:

I'M RIVETED! :corn:

marichiko is banned
 

Marichiko won't be back.
I banned her.
Move along folks, nothing to see here.

Thanks Beestie, for posting the problem so eloquently. I believe it was you who understood it after the first ban. I admire your clarity, and when you really uncork a post, as you do from time to time, I am downright gay for you.

Thanks Bruce, for seeing the simplest and best solution for ALL involved, including chiko.

I somewhat regret being the level of hardass that I am about it, but in my current state of mind, I prefer honesty to politeness for the sake of being nice.

I would never ban someone just because they were intolerably irritating to me personally.

The subject of my original post is now being discussed in this thread: http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=12740

Nononononono. Absolutely not. Just saying that I do the same thing, and skip certain posts, by certain posters. There are some people here who I won't invest the time to read. Just tain't worth it - and I did say taint.;)

hehehehe - he said taint... :blush:

Demonstrated is a difference between some of us. Some have so much contempt for opinion based upon emotion as to not need an ignore list - and not care. A difference between those who think using logic and those who cannot diverse themselves from silly emotions - the need for an ignore list.

Is that an insult? Again, depends whether or not you can think logically and see the point; or think emotionally and then take insult. Read anyone and everyone's posts. Do not do so is a first step to being a racist, promote hate, and to not see and ask of other's perspectives. To not read all only reinforces thinking based in emotion.

We were watching a classic example of the forces in domestic violence. More useful would have been more gasoline because the silliness of those emotions and resulting petty posts would play out for all to see.

Nothing in this thread justified the banning of anyone. But then not all could be so logical as to also see George Jr outrightly and intentionally lying. Both are perfect benchmarks of thinking without emotion. A benchmark for each lurker to learn whether he/she can think logically or are manipulated by their silly emotions. (Same silly emotions make Oprah so popular.) Those who think logically had no opinion of this thread other than see both silliness and pettiness. What we really needed was more gasoline so that the thread had value - was entertainment.

I see. And what else did your Mr. Spock doll tell you?

It is the difference between greater leaders of men verses those who are first to run when the gunfire starts. Hathcock defines it as the difference between those who can be a sniper verses those who wash out quickly. But then what do I know. I only read those who do the work, who have been there, and have seen how people really are when shit starts flying. Gasoline (not censorship) was what this thread really needed. Then we would have seen what people were really made of. Thats Entertainment.

This thread ain't even the tip of the top of the iceberg, t.

That's what Bush said about Iraq. :p

seriously, how do you do it? you can use any and every thread as an excuse to paste in the same words that you have already used in every other thread.

That's right. The iceberg should never exist because everyone in this board is supposed to be adult. That means your emotions need not appear. Adults learn to not care. Adults are logical and tolerant of the children. Adults read everything and respond only logically.

Children get emotional. Adults who remain children then do silly things like need carry concealed guns, pit bulls, insult others, and need other symbols of their manliness such as sex without condoms or imposing their religious beliefs on others.

And so I desperately wanted gasoline. More insults and drunken posts would have been useful. It would have been great entertainment - and an example to others of what happens when adults insist their emotions have credibility.

Remember what started this thread. Policitians could not even reply with facts. Emotion was added in irrelevant posts later. Politicians who are supposed to be leaders did not even have dirt under their fingernails - could not answer with an honest grasp of reality.

It is both fun and educational to watch the children play in nursery school - as they struggle to learn what is necessary to be an adult. Unfortunately some forget that life means learning every day after graduating after nursery school. Learning to think logically and without emotional bias means learning every day. Emotions never once justifies anything - be it a war, illegal immigration, or censorship.

do you actually honestly think you are emotionless in your posting? can you honestly say that you read anyone's posts except to look for an opening to drop your re-posts?

What is the value of life without emotion? Unemotional?!?!?!? You have got to be kidding me. Emotions like desire, hate and love need to exist. Otherwise there is no point in life. Good gracious - aren't happiness and enjoyment emotions? tw, you and I strongly disagreed on many things during our last exchanges in other posts, but I respect your right to FEEL or BELIEVE the way you do. I too, also have the right to disagree.

I found and read this thread in its entirety for the first time tonight and was appalled, embarrassed and proud to be a member of the cellar. All of you with such diverse views and opinions are a bunch of awesome people - I just wish I had been around longer to fully comprehend what the hell happened.

I also wonder how close I must have come to being banned and for that I am very sorry to all of you. I apologize. I'm truly very sorry :(

E=mc^2.
Clearly that is no longer correct because it is a repost. Is that your logic?

Funny thing about history. The one who did not get all hot and bothered using 'them verses us' hype accurately disagreed with the majority about Kuwait and accurately disagreed with the majority about "Mission Accomplished". How can that be? One of us routinely ignored the emotional hype to first see facts. One of us also had no problem with any posts from marichiko or april. However this same one had serious problem with their censorship when it was based in emotional bias - not in anything logical. In each case, where is the logical justification stated?

Others had posted obvious spam. They were banned - and rightly so because the censorship was based in logic. Can you tell the difference between emotion and logic? One reason why posts are longer (when they are not factious) is that I post reasons with those posts. No reasons? Then I am no different than a scumbag named Limbaugh. Meanwhile. lookout123 - explain why a repost of the same idea makes the concept wrong? It does only if you are posting propaganda spin without supporting facts and examples.

I see no logical fact posted that justified so much hate of marichiko. I see plenty of emotion. I can grasp one fact that might justify the censorship. But I have yet to see anyone post that justification.

No. His logic is that you don't read anyone else's posts and just post the same thing in every single thread in which you participate. His logic is quite correct. As you just proved.

explain to me why reposting them over and over is proof of their accuracy. oh nevermind - i just remembered that in the last couple of years, you have not answered one single question i've asked of you.

but, i don't think i questioned the accuracy of your statements - that is a different debate. what i question is why you choose to use every single thread as a place to drop the same post - regardless of the original thread topic. something about everything looking like a nail to a guy who's only got a hammer?

you claim that you and you alone have the superior skills that enable you to utilize the "ONE RIGHT WAY"patent pending in analyzing info. you seem to think that you discuss things without emotion, yet you are usually one of the first to stoop to personal insults and name calling if everyone doesn't immediately say "shit, why didn't i think of that? why did i even think about posting before asking tw what the truth was??"

seriously get over yourself. you might actually win people over to your way of thinking if you considered that people who don't always agree with you might not be inferior to you. *gasp* just a thought.

Under the heading of "tw can't edit": verses for versus, more than once. Tw does not know English. Except distantly.

Lookout, ever given sufficient thought to the idea you might be superior by a long chalk to the Cellar's resident Soviet Communist and number one anti-Americanist? I put it that way because he seems to make a hobby of it.

OMG - I just pissed myself I was laughing so hard.

Funny, I would think you of all people would have a problem with being repeatedly lied to.

Most of the accusations of lying were pretty weak.

Speaking of reposts...:p

I guess you believe she can put a staple through a specific mailbox lock at 5 paces.

Or that her new dog could get offlead and run away and thus lead to a "find" of a neighbors' "sticks of dynamite".

Anybody can, if it's an accident.

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Or that her new dog could get offlead and run away and thus lead to a "find" of a neighbors' "sticks of dynamite".

It was a road flare.

this, i'm convinced, was from an episode of Little House on the Prairie.

wtf? why are you hitching your wagon to her like this happymonkey?

I'm not. I'm hitching it against stupid bans.

you keep sniping like that then. let me know how it works out for you.

Look, she's fuckin' gone now, for better or for worse, drop it people.

Whatever.

HM, it's your reputation. I know you're familiar with staple guns. If you stood in front of a wall of mailboxes, a few feet away, and shot at them,

1) What are the probabilities that the staple remains in "bars out" position during its flight?

1a) If it doesn't, what are the probabilities that it strikes the wall in "bars out" position?

2) If it does, what are the probabilities that the staple flies directly into the mailbox of your arch-enemy and someone whom you believe to be a physical danger to you... even if you aimed it directly?

3) If it does, what are the probabilities that it flies in with so much force that it can't be removed?

4) Played again, why can't you see it?

no one is making you read this thread, jr.

exactly.

There's your new user title, man. Sweet!

If someone shoots a BB at the floor in an open-air range, what are the chances that it hits me right in the eye, on one riccochet with enough force to be extremely painful, but not quite enough for permanent damage? I dunno, pretty low, but it happened anyway. I guess it's pretty convenient for me that I can't prove it, since my eye is OK now, and I covered up the incident, to keep the shooter out of trouble.

As for the staple, I didn't say it was likely. But 3) is pretty likely if it goes in; locks are bumpy enough on the inside to make removal difficult. And it doesn't have to go in "bars forward", just "bars forward, back, up, or down, but not left or right".

Likely? No. But lots of things aren't likely.

HM, after all that has happened, I'm dumbstruck that you could think the ban was avoidable. If nothing else, implicit in your assumption is the idea that XOB is trigger-happy and you know that ain't right.

Which is it? Do you think the Cellar was a better place with her in it or that banning her violated some inalienable right she has to post on someone else's board?

A BB is as perfectly round as they can manufacture it, partly so that it travels through the air and maintains a high rate of speed and accuracy, and the force of a BB gun is intended to make the round travel 50 feet or something, and strike a target, so... yeah...

A staple gun does not produce enough force to go through a single sheet of newspaper at six inches. It does not produce enough force to go through a sheet of tissue at two feet. Try it. I just did, using my Craftsman Heavy Duty Dual Action with 1/2" heavy duty staples.

Maybe this is an airplane/treadmill problem. The reason a staple gun staples is not because it propels the staple forward at a high rate of speed. The reason a staple gun staples is because there's a big piece of metal, driven by a spring, pushing the staple into what you're stapling.

You can't accidentally staple something by shooting at it with a staple gun. Try it. The staple gun is not actually a gun.

I don't have a particular opinion one way or another about how likely that scenario is. For all I know she might have bunged the thing in with a hammer.

But, do you think that she is the only one who ever lied in the Cellar? I don't have anything in particular in mind, but I'm guessing no. Certainly she's made some bad life choices, but she's also not the only one on the Cellar who's done that.

I admit that there's a lot of the Cellar I don't read, so I might have missed something else. But I have to say that like HM, I don't get it.

That depends on how much hot air is behind it. In this particular case, I think the extra energy would easily permit the staple to penetrate a two-inch thick sheet of polymer-reinforced titanium like it was a stick of warm butter.

Um, a staple doesn't have to pierce anything to get stuck in a lock.

Yes.

HM, you're suggesting that coconuts migrate.

I never thought that the staple actually pierced the lock. I can see why people might be so certain it was a lie if that's what they thought. I thought the staple went into the keyhole and got stuck.

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This'll probably be available in another hour or so. The Divx version is available for download here.

really? really, really? you believed that? honestly?

isn;t it much more likely that she was trying to pick the lock?

Hey, whaddaya know. I was right. She said the staple went into the keyhole. Its piercing power is irrelevant.

As to whether it's true, or if there's another story that might be more likely if you take some of her story at face value but not all of it, who knows? Not us.

Thanks, Spode I never even thought of it till now. Perhaps I haven't been banned, but I'll bet I got on a bunch of ignores cuz of tw & BMW. Geez I gotta start paying closer attention or else :worried:

for it to get into the keyhole well enough to jam, the piercing power would be relevant. i can;t believe we're actually debating this. you're very retarded for a genius.

this actually is the crux of the matter to me. it wasn;t that she was a big fat liar, or a drama queen or professional victim. what always made me nuts was the way you suckers fell for her shit time after time. it makes me a little batty.

I agree with the point it makes- it's unlikely. But I agreed with that already.

Take a deep breath and step away from the keyboard

:bolt: :dedhorse:

The sound is all off so I'm redoing it. It was fun to shoot.

No, it just has to go in in such a way that it's not easily grabbed. An attempt to pry it out could then actually jam it.

yeah, and monkeys might fly outta my butt

you shuddup. joint the argument, or don't. this is therapy, cock. it's important. why don't you go not talk about it with Ibram.

This argument has no conclusion - there can be no Absolute PROOF to any of the questions.
Is it unlikely that it happened? - Yes
Is there any chance it could have happened? - Yes
Odds it did not happen? - Really friggin High.
Did she probably try to pick the lock - Perhaps, but none of these questions can be definitively answered and therefore it really doesn't matter. I think she's gone cuz she created what you guys are doing right now - She was a devisive force here. Lets take whatever positives we can from it and move on.

He can not speak of it with me! We'll just store it deep inside under pressure and heat until this big pile of shit is a glittering diamond. Yeah a lovely diamond.:yelgreedy

dude. moving on happens AFTER resolution. i can't explain it to you without sounding like a dick. just trust that there is something going on here that needs to happen. so stop trying to sound wise and adult and telling people to stop fighting. fighting can be good.

see, i sounded like a dick to you anyway.

People lie. People embellish. People have wierd shit happen to them. Sometimes all three can be present in a single story. It wasn't mari creating division, it was mari and all of the people who chose to get so upset over what may or may not have been fantasies. People leapt right in at every given opportunity to slag her off the second she opened her mouth and that's been going on as long as I've been coming into the Cellar.

So what if she wasn't totally honest (she may have been, there's no way to know). Is that how you'd have treated Walter Mitty? Is this how someone gets treated if their lives are tragic enough to make them trip out on fantasies?

Many times, I saw posts of Mari's that had fuck all to do with 'whining' and everything to do with making political points and observations through first hand experience. Those posts were met with a hail of criticism and personal insults which she defended, next thing is all hell's broken loose.

Don't blame Mari for being divisive, blame yourselves (ourselves) for allowing the mob mentality to hold sway. At any time, any one of us could have just not posted the attack, not taken the argument on. We did this, not mari.

DanaC and Happy Monkey are sweet hearted people.:heart-on: