No! Wait! I'm divining noodle's response to my post (my mean, UNchristian-like post...measured as it is...)

:lol:

There. That's what he thinks.

noodle thinks we are all lost until we embrace his own very specific version of morality.

Undertoad -:notworthy
Where is the "hammer hitting the nail" smilie????? Cuz you TOTALLY nailed it!!

If by "just now" you mean since I got married and had kids, then, yeah.

lol...that's funny BigV. Of course that's not what I meant. ;)

In fact, any bloke here who doesn't think he's a 'sally' is 'deluded'. :D

*Now where did I put that big huge dildo and my whip*

let us consider this phrase on it's own merit.

cum-drum

Is that a 'boat' to put your 'se[a]men' in?

No, I don't see the contradiction in my statements, but its been an off day for me around the Cellar, today, so feel free to enlighten me.

I don't have to worry about pregnancy, anymore, but I still don't say "yes" to a man whom I've just met. In my younger days I had a couple of one night stands out of curiosity as much as anything else, and I decided the experience was not for me. When I get into a relationship with someone, it usually lasts for a while. I was married for 20 years, but before that I was engaged for two years, so I wasn't a virgin when I married.

If some people want to have sex just to have sex, and both parties know beforehand and agree, I have no problem with that as long as they are both consenting adults. Live and let live is my motto. :cool:

By the way, to answer the thread title, yes, yes I would. I dont like the thought of my girlfriend having sex with other people, nor do i like the thought of other people watching, but if she were to decide thats what she wants to do then I would support her, because I love her and it would still be worth it, because I love her for who she IS, not who she does.

ok...now I'm confused about you Ibram. First you're gay but now you have a g/f. Are you batting for both teams??? ;)

Not gay, bi. You've got it there. I'm more on the gay side of it when it comes to personality, and in fact I would be unbelievably gay if I didnt love the womenfolk so much.

Well geez...I was just joking with that post, but thanks for your honesty Ibram. Sorry if I seemed to be prying. It definitely wasn't my intent. :)

Nah, its cool, I like telling people. Makes me feel freeeeee!

Hmmm...if I told people I was bi I wonder if it'd have the same effect. Mind you, hubby keeps telling me I'm too expensive, so maybe I should try it. ;)

I'm torn - I kinda have a little crush on noodle coz he's hawt, but I would probably scare the bejesus outta him n that amuses me :D

Or the bejesus in him would scare you, one of the two. :)

:biglaugha this is true

You're still trying to get me to say this, but I haven't, and I won't. You have a beef with Christianity, and I'm happy to be your whipping post if that's what you want. But I hope you tire of it soon, because I'm running out of alternatives to "stfu".

if you follow my version of morality, you will be in dire straits indeed. I do have an idea what I'm supposed to strive for, but I'm not very good at it yet.

I really don't think I'm much of a looker. I've got a huge misshapen head and no upper lip. But your compliment is greatly appreciated :blush:

As for scaring me, good luck. I hang out with death metal bands. Wearing a "Satan sucks" tshirt from a local biker church. Plus they're all gay for me.

I fear nothing but spiders and mimes.

and me. you fear me. admit it................all of you

Wow that's a really profound statement - my response may not belong on this thread, but my bro & I were discussing that last night. As a somewhat religious person (God and I have an understanding) I find it incredibly difficult for me to hold up to my beliefs. To be able to do what I think I should all the time - its rather confusing and I'm rather confused (as you all know) but interesting nonetheless. Lately, I wonder if its that way for ev-1 or is it just me?

:fsm: shall smite thee with the noodley appendage of wrath, oh foul chat-speaker.

Weird. cos I fear speeders and memes...

Without wishing to speak for anyone but myself, you are not alone, yesman!

I'm right there with ya too yesman.

So amidst all our banter what are we supposed to do? Is it simply chalked up to "A weakness of the flesh?" I cannot believe that its that simple. I strive to be a good person and a faithful friend, co-worker, partner, father, and so on. My reality seems to say that I am, and the people around me also tell me that, but in the quiet of the night I often wonder. Its not that I do anything horrible or lead a double life - its just - Ugghh I can never really explain it in words - its just a feeling I guess.

But isn't it that feeling that keeps you trying to stay up to the mark? And what if it were easy? What difference would that make (we appear to have effected a successful threadjack here :D )?

That vague, unsettling notion that there's something more? That "goodness" is a real thing, but might be unattainable by any amount of purely human effort? When God starts talking to someone, that's commonly the first part of the dialogue. Talk back. Make sure your mind's open first, then ask what's going on. If you're listening, an answer will come.

Notice I didn't mention religion.

Thats an intersting point - I wonder if that was supposed to be the design all along. Then again maybe not?? Thats where my question is coming from.

I think that all the wondering, worrying, asking is pointless...we'll never know the true design because we weren't the ones that designed it. If you know right from wrong, and you know what you believe, go with that, do your best. Do it with the right intentions. The motive behind what you do says a lot more than the actual action itself, in the end at least, and probably weighs on how you actually feel about yourself afterwards.

I found this article today - perhaps it explains BM's position. Since he hasn't been posting - I'll do it for him (even though I TOTALLY DISAGREE)

Outrage as Muslim cleric likens women to 'uncovered meat'
By RICHARD SHEARS

A Muslim cleric's claim that women who do not wear the veil are like 'uncovered meat' who attract sexual predators sparked outrage around Australia yesterday.

Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali, the nation's most senior Muslim cleric, compared immodestly-dressed women who do not wear the Islamic headdress with meat that is left uncovered in the street and is then eaten by cats.

Politicians including Prime Minister John Howard, community leaders and a large number of Muslims condemned the mufti's comments amid calls that he should be deported to Egypt, his country of origin.

He has since been forced to apologise for his remarks.

In a Ramadam sermon in a Sydney mosque, Sheik al-Hilali suggested that a group of Muslim men recently jailed for many years for gang rapes were not entirely to blame.

There were women, he said, who 'sway suggestively' and wore make-up and immodest dress "and then you get a judge without mercy and gives you 65 years. But the problem, but the problem all began with who?" he said, referring to the women victims.

Addressing 500 worshippers on the topic of adultery, Sheik al-Hilali added: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it..whose fault is it - the cats or the uncovered meat?

"The uncovered meat is the problem."
He went on: "If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab (veil), no problem would have occurred."

Women, he said, were 'weapons' used by Satan to control men.

Not sure if that belongs here, but I thought I'd post it and see what you guys/gals and others thought.

The majority of Muslims disagree and find such remarks offensive.

Not that much different from the 'she was asking for it' or 'no really meant yes' defense used in many US rape cases.

:haha:

Self-doubt and self-examination are what keep us from becoming monsters. Really, it's healthy.;)

My husband sometimes thinks Satan is in control of me.

It's a dirty job, but somebody has to do it.

Luckily, I'm up for it.

Great, so we have the decision equivalent of "he was robbed while waving a gold chain, whos fault". Let me start this with the required statement of 'I do not condone rape under any circumstances whatsoever'. Now that we have that on record can we address the posibility that dressing provocitavly inherently raises the risk of sexual assault? It makes sense.

What is provocative, 9th? According to the cleric, it's swaying suggestively, wearing makeup, and not wearing the Islamic headdress. By that argument, American women must be sexually assaulted in vastly higher numbers than Muslim women... but they aren't. It would seem clear that the risk of sexual assault is directly proportional to the men's lack of self-control, not the dress of the women.


Going outside of my house inherently raises my risk of being mugged. That doesn't make it my responsibility to stay indoors.

Right, now I'm not saying it causes anything. It's a risk, and I want to acknoledge the fact that it can be a stupid risk without using some forsight. Again, it's like saying that wearing a really expensive suit and a Rolex in a bad part of town is a stupid thing to do. In most places there's no problem, and it certainly doesn't take one iota of culpability off of the muggers.

Where I live is quite hot most of the year and women commonly wear fewer clothes than in other parts of the world. A big part of this is due to the humidity. Why should women sweat like pigs just because some men think it's unseemly for them to show skin?

Using Muslim clerical logic, there should be about fifty rapes per Pagan festival each year. Lots of nekkid womens there. I'll let you know when we have our first one.

If every woman in Australia was raped because she was showing flesh, there'd be no unraped women here.

I have asked my wife the same thing.:eyebrow:
No one has to do it, nope... I'm fine. I don't need people who don't play by basic rules of logic mucking with the life. Control and anguish are not the same thing BTW.

Y'know, maybe the cleric was just saying that his brother muslems are weak-willed?

Or that they are a bunch of alley-cats?

Still, if all men really want is some fly-blown piece of manky scrag end I suppose they're welcome to it. I may not still be vacuum wrapped, but I'm fresh baby ;)

"fly-blown piece of manky scrag end "

Can you post a pic of that or a link to a pic? I'm dying to see what the hell that is. Is it any relation to Nip-tack-paddy-wak-give a dog a bone?

BM, it would most likely be the female version of YOU. Try looking into the mirror and you shall have your answer.

I know what you are but what am I?

Are you 5 years old, you pussy whipped momas-boy?

Its really sad when someone picks a verbal argument with you and you have to explain your insults because they are above their comprehension. Uh, you better try pickin on someone else. I'm outta your league. Try one of the girls - oops, never mind, you already got your ass kicked by them too. Hmmm, Perhaps there is a kiddie blog somewhere so at least you could have a fightin chance.

Two year olds can be very annoying...

I think that their are certain risks involved with how you dress and where you are. If you are in Deep Ellum (club district of Dallas) for example w/out a full force of body guards girls, expect some trouble and don't forget your pepper spray. But if your in your house or a low crime area you have less chance of being accosted no matter how you dress. The clothes you put on are not the real root of the problem but they can persuede a man to go after you rather than some other woman. Rape is a man's problem b/c (normally) they are the sick bastards who commit it. Rape is a woman's problem b/c (normmally) they are the victim. Both men and women have a responsibility to prevent such an occurance.

My two year old cousin has better come-backs than BMW. She's a wicked little smartass...runs in the family. so does insanity and alcoholism, but sssh

Well here's the double standard.

A man walks around without a shirt on and is sexualised by a woman and it ends there.

A woman walks around without a shirt on (or with a skimpy top on) and is sexualised by a man and it ends there, except if the man is a COMPLETE FUCKING IDIOT who thinks that because she dresses that way she must be hot to trot.

Is that what happens in your country, cause I'm on my way, skirt on, to get "sexualized."

In the USA women are predominately the target of sexual assault due to the all the points about the sexual differences I have espoused on this board. You can’t have a double standard when the situation is unequal to start with. Different situation will have different outcomes and standards.

You'd rather be sexualised by men than women?

As to your second point: the issue is that the simple fact that there is a double standard in modern western society is what is wrong. When women are expected to go out and earn a living and support their lazy arsed husbands etc, I'd say there's a huge problem. Not the fact that a woman should do that - because it works both ways - but that a woman can still be expected to do so and also be the wilting little wallflower that you picture women as being.

That's the point.

"You'd rather be sexualised by men than women?"

Respect? From you! LOL

You can't even quote your own writings accurately, least interpet mine, and can't understand what your reading.

Sorry to hear about your lazy arsed husband. Better luck next time. Reach out to Brianna, she's got a lot of experience flipping guys.:D

To your other point, there is no double standard. I will not regurgitate every iota of details again. Reread my responses and statements and come back and refute them.