So how do you explain wet dreams then?

Doesn't have a brain but it thinks? That's got to be an oxymoron right?

Sorry noodle, I wasn't picking on you. Just those couple of points made me giggle. ;)

Leaky roof? Not masturbating enough? Cate Blanchett? The list goes on and on.

Most likely has something to do with moving out last year's model for the new one's, don't want to get backed up down in those pipes during a dry spell:D

foot...I don't think there's a conscious decision in any of those choices is there? Well...except the not masturbating enough, but even then, the wet dream is the result of prior action not being taken rather than a conscious decision. ;)

Now we're getting into physiological processes here. It's like asking whether or not sweating is a concious decision because you choose to put yourself in a warm environment...:3eye:

See? that's why he's an engineer and I'm not. :) He thinks of these things

Well if you put it that way, of course you can avoid putting yourself in situations where you might sweat if you want to. I guess if that's true, then in order to avoid wet dreams, one only has to masturbate more. I'm pretty sure that was the original suggestion in my statement though.

I don't think sweating or masturbating has much to do with whether one is gay or not though.

The way a person's brain is developed or "hardwired" often effects their behavior, some people tend to be more artistic, and then some are more mathamatical. Some enviromental factors play into this and some genetics, but if you are inclined to be a certain way then you have no choice...if you want to be different then you can choose to try and act otherwise. But this can lead to serious self esteem issues and depression.

They experiment because there is curiosity and most likely an attraction to other girls, after the experimenting they might discover that they aren't really that interested, or they might discover that they are. I've known many women who were with men before they discovered or aknowledged that they were gay. I think that some people do choose to be exclusively with one sex or the other when they are truley bi, I am bi but I choose to be with a man, only, I want a nuked family.
And then there are others who are only attracted to the same or opposite sex. You can't choose to be gay, you can choose whether or not you are going to act gay.

Lets go back to the times where gays were punished with well.....death. Who in there right mind would choose to be gay and live the rest of their lives as an exile.

I am also confident in a decade or so it will be proven that homoesexuality is genetic. I am sure some people do choose to be gay but the majority are decided through their genes.

Well put.

I don't think we're going to have any great revelations past where we are now, only it will become public fact instead of accepted scientific theory. Predispositions are genetic, triggers are environmental, the combination of these two determines our desires and personality. We have control over how we express these in public and to a large degree how much they impact how we live our lives. Past that I don't think there's a hell of a lot more to add.

What we are likely to see emerge in the next decade or two is an more exact understanding of where these triggers exist and how they work. This can then spin into any number of possible senarios. Traditionalists will attend lectures on how to avoid having their children exposed to environmental triggers. Progressives will protest that controlling these experiences is unethical. I don't think the core debate will change much through all this however. The most extreme outcome I can see is the possibility of a pharmaceudical product that would act on a persons phermone receptors at puberty and give a very strong push in either direction desired. Since all this is really determined by environmental and internal chemical signals I can see this as completely within the realm of possibility, but I'm withholding all comments about the implications...

Countries with issues of overcrowding and poor interior design will add said drug to their water supply...?

LOL no Bruce, I haven't seen the divorce rate, and that's for a reason, I choose not to look at it. Most of the people I know got married for all the wrong reasons and then got divorced so I can only imagine that it is extremely high...I don't worry myself with that though, which would be one of the biggest reasons why I'm still single. I'm not letting society or anything else decide my fate for me. I refuse to put myself through what everyone I know has been through...
besides that, everyone that's married keeps telling me to never get married. What do they know? They're jacked up to begin with...IF i get married, it will be forever, or I won't get married...there's no bullshit for me.

Heh...I think all marriages start out with that particular vow.

Stormie

You're right Stormie...they probably do... but the marriages I've seen are all about "me" what happened to compromise?

Sigh, life does funny things to ya...kicks you when you least expect it sometimes. I'm always happy to see the happy marriages! It's not easy.

I think that that is the main problem with marriages not working out as often as they used to. Divorce was even harder to aquire and you were likely to lose all of your friends in the middle, society was not very tolerant of divorcees. It was better to try and stay with your spouse and work things out the best you could. Although the easier access to divorce has its perks, it also has it's downfalls as well.

EDIT: I'm not trying to say that divorce is easy now, just easier.

Not sure at all about genetic factors; it may be entirely developmental, during gestation. What we don't have is analyzable data on gay parents siring similarly gay children. I don't think we can expect to find a correlation -- after all, year to year, century to century, homosexuality remains a constant percentage, roughly five percent of men and three of women.

A homosexual friend of mine, a man of some quiet sexual attractiveness of his own (attraction is attraction and seems not to correlate with the orientations of the attractor or attractee), once told me, "Nobody sits down and picks homosexuality to take advantage of its opportunities."

Sexual orientation manifests itself long before any sexual experience is gained, and seems to be a component of the self's structure right in there with self-awareness.

What earliest sexual experiences seem to do is not to establish orientation as to influence individual taste in sexual partners -- regular-philias or paraphilias.

I still say it has a purpose more important than something like eye color or other genetically controlled traits. Perhaps something like sickle cell anemia in Africa vs North America?

You mean last week in Iran?

Leave it to mrnoodle to find a link about wet noodles! :p

I'd question the accuracy of the cool nurse. Every thing I've read and seen says, boys will experience spontaneous erections during sleep and awake starting in infant-hood. Not emissions but certainly erections. :confused:

It was just the first google entry for "wet dreams". I didn't actually read it. I just looked long enough to ensure it wasn't porn.

Sorry, I certainly didn't mean to put you in the position of having to defend your erections. :blush:

Is that what the world has come to now? Defending your hard on's?

You mean I'm still in puberty? :eyebrow:

Like a girl's first period, a guy has a "nocturnal emmision" when he truely goes through puebery. Not every guy does it though. But that is different then wet dreams.

Like a girl's first period, a guy has a "nocturnal emission" when he truly goes through puberty. Not every guy does it though. But that is different then wet dreams.

Spexxvet- Puberty is an instantaneous moment when the first time a female gets her first period and a male gets his first emission. Pubescence is the longer period of time, usually early teenage years.

what does this have to do with anything?

Making my damn day!:D

Nocturnal emissions and wet dreams are the same thing -- c'mon, how do you think they get wet? And how wouldn't auto-spoogeing be enabling an erotic dream to go with?

I've had 'em -- a wise Providence's way of letting me know I wasn't beating off quite enough. ;)

I reckon you do it often enough UG. :)

Careful, dear -- if I get up enough of a head of steam I might impair your vision! (definitely a ;) or a little Something About Mary)

And exactly how would you go about impairing my vision UG? lol