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jaguar 04-28-2005 10:50 AM

I'm sure GIs and poliots didn't but scientists did and I'm sure those in charge of the program did as well.

wolf 04-28-2005 10:59 AM

Still no proof this is Agent Orange. It could be one of 10,000 other chemical or radiological uses or spills.

Or mom could have smoked weed when she was pregnant.

No way of knowing at this point.

Sure feels good to blame the Americans again though, doesn't it?

warch 04-28-2005 11:15 AM

Sure feels good to wrap yourself in flagwavin' defensiveness yet again, doesnt it.

Troubleshooter 04-28-2005 11:22 AM

Occam's Razor cuts deep doesn't it?

wolf 04-28-2005 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by warch
Sure feels good to wrap yourself in flagwavin' defensiveness yet again, doesnt it.

Fuckin' A right, Bubba.

jaguar 04-28-2005 11:40 AM

I go to Vietnam on a fairly regluar basis, call it a certain connection to the issue.
Sure are defensive aren't you? Maybe this one isn't Agent Orange related but the chances are it is, the shit is all though the ecosystem from top to bottom, it doesn't go away - the dioxin concentration was insane. Must suck to be unable to face up to stuff your country did 30 years ago - all in the name of an absract policy.

warch 04-28-2005 11:47 AM

And beyond the blame or nonblame fest, here's a kid caught. Are there ways that Agent Orange can be cleaned up from the supersite we call Vietnam? Can the concentrations be reduced?

Troubleshooter 04-28-2005 11:49 AM

Is there a known genetic signature of the damage done by AO?

jaguar 04-28-2005 12:16 PM

There are tests to some degree, they can test for levels of specific dioxins but they are very, very expensive. Stuff stays in the ecosystem for decades.

wolf 04-28-2005 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jaguar
Must suck to be unable to face up to stuff your country did 30 years ago

I have no problem facing up to what my country did, whether it was 30 years ago, or more recently.

If it's the result of something we actually did.

Troubleshooter 04-28-2005 01:18 PM

Um, it has been decades.

Has a study been done to show the long term occurances of deformities like this.

Is there a declining trend? A steady trend?

jaguar 04-28-2005 02:36 PM

Quote:

I have no problem facing up to what my country did, whether it was 30 years ago, or more recently.

If it's the result of something we actually did.
You're contradicting yourself. Noone I've come across denies that Agent Orange and the fucking nasty dioxins it contained are responsible for the disturbingly high rates of cancer, birth defects, neural diseases and other problems in South Vietnam. The North was never really sprayed, rates there are normal.

melidasaur 04-28-2005 03:12 PM

my question is... how does he close his eyes?

warch 04-28-2005 03:16 PM

If there are no lingering dioxin related health problems based on documented actions, how come US Veterans who no longer have direct contact with the contamination have been legally recognized to receive compensation and health coverage specifically for Agent Orange related illnesses? While those who continue to live in documented US contaminated areas are suspect. That seems contradictory.

wolf 04-29-2005 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaguar
You're contradicting yourself. Noone I've come across denies that Agent Orange and the fucking nasty dioxins it contained are responsible for the disturbingly high rates of cancer, birth defects, neural diseases and other problems in South Vietnam. The North was never really sprayed, rates there are normal.

No, I'm not. I'm NOT denying that Agent Orange is bad stuff, or that it has potentially long lasting consequences.

All that I'm saying is that until the sad little dude's issues are identified as being the result of dioxin exposure, beating up on the US as being the responsible party is not justified.


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