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really? i don't see that as a problem.

i have a paranoid streak about 'the man' as well, but i just don't see the horrendous miscarriage of justice here. The world's full of wackos, and no one wants a president/ial candidate to get shot or have poop thrown on them, so they're a bit zealous in their crowd control. why does everyone want to make every encounter with a cop their own personal Selma, AL?

As you said, a cop can ask for stuff. But if they ask for something without justification, refuse to explain themselves, and threaten jail time for noncompliance, that's over the line.

What does this case have to do with crowd control?

poor word choice. you know what i mean. keeping tabs on ppl in the area of the event.

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Originally Posted by mrnoodle

really? i don't see that as a problem.

i have a paranoid streak about 'the man' as well, but i just don't see the horrendous miscarriage of justice here.

Really? Violation of Federal law by a police officer in the line of duty, doesn't bother you?

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The world's full of wackos, and no one wants a president/ial candidate to get shot or have poop thrown on them,

If no one wants that why do they need security?

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so they're a bit zealous in their crowd control. why does everyone want to make every encounter with a cop their own personal Selma, AL?

Because too many cops act like Sheriff Jim Clark. :eyebrow:

Here's some police activity(NYT) that hopefully everyone can agree needs to be punished.

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"We picked him up and we carried him while he squirmed and screamed," the officer, Matthew Wohl, testified in December. "I had one of his legs because he was kicking and refusing to walk on his own."

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Accused of inciting a riot and resisting arrest, Mr. Kyne was the first of the
1,806 people arrested in New York last summer during the Republican National Convention to take his case to a jury. But one day after Officer Wohl testified, and before the defense called a single witness, the prosecutor abruptly dropped all charges.

During a recess, the defense had brought new information to the prosecutor. A videotape shot by a documentary filmmaker showed Mr. Kyne agitated but plainly walking under his own power down the library steps, contradicting the vivid account of Officer Wohl, who was nowhere to be seen in the pictures. Nor was the officer seen taking part in the arrests of four other people at the library against whom he signed complaints.

he should have his badge crammed in his butt, as should the supervisor that ordered him to testify falsely.

no, he shouldn't have his badge shoved anywhere. if he did indeed provide a false accounting of events then he should be summarily executed. and they should follow it up the chain until the find the person that originated the order.

no, i'm not kidding.

if LE wants to have the trust of the people they are paid to protect and serve then they need to have a serious house cleaning. nothing short of this will make the dirty cops go away and encourage those that actually do want to protect and serve to follow the calling.

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Originally Posted by lookout123

if LE wants to have the trust of the people they are paid to protect and serve then they need to have a serious house cleaning. nothing short of this will make the dirty cops go away and encourage those that actually do want to protect and serve to follow the calling.

So why do we not have house cleaning among top FBI managers who stifled at least four separate investigations that would have uncovered the 11 Sept attacks. Oh. They are George Jr political appointees.

Why did we not fire the top cops who stifled John O'Neil in his investigation of the USS Cole bombing. An investigation that identified what would be two 11 Sept hijackers and already known to be in America before 11 Sept happened. Oh. The administration insisted that terrorism was not a problem - that John O'Neill was the problem - for being honest and correct. John O'Neill instead was house cleaned.

Right - we should start blaming top LE people. But we don't. Instead we fix the problem with the Office of Fatherland Security, and silly laws such as the Patriot Acts. We imprison innocent people in Guantanamo Bay without due process, and then in the White House, we authorize torture. At what point does the nation’s leader take responsibility - set the good example?

Torture of innocent people in Guantanamo Bay for years is acceptable? When do we have house cleaning in the White House? Oh - they (ie Gonzales who advocated torture) get promoted. Only street cops must be good. Those incompetent FBI managers and White House personal need not set a good example. When was the double standard acceptable? I did not get the memo.

Goddammit tw!!

You're post(s) make me ill!!

I'm not mad at you. But I am madder that hell at what you shine the light on.

The goodwill, self-reliance, and peace of mind of of the regular people I know is being PILLAGED by the current power holders. Fearmongering lying hypocritical selfserving thieving panderers aarrrrrhghghghga!!!!

O I am beyond a sensible response this time.

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