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Kitsune 06-03-2004 08:53 AM

I thought we had this discussion already. Sycamore is correct: It is biased to whatever pushes people's buttons and that includes anger. Also, if you lean to the right, you are a lot less likely to remember something that is reported to anger those that lean left but you will never forget the small comment made on the news that gets the right upset.

I don't think the news is "owned by" the left, right, or anything like that. It is biased, but it biased specifically to sell.

...unless its Fox News, that is. ;)

lookout123 06-03-2004 09:56 AM

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Originally posted by jaguar
Oh please, the US media is about as left wing as adolph hitler, particularly fox which is just plain scary.
compared to bbc, you are correct.

lookout123 06-03-2004 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jaguar
Simple fact is what most of europe would see as centre, msot of the US would see as left.
well, no kidding. although america continues to slide down the slippery slope of entitlements, socialism is still a pretty dirty word in america. that stigma has pretty well faded away in the rest of the world.

only history ( a loooong time from now) will show if this was a good thing or bad. but for now at least most americans, to verying degrees, agree that "socialist" ideas are not the right path for america to follow. even if it is just lip-service from many, that is what is said out loud.

jaguar 06-03-2004 12:49 PM

Dude, the BBC isn't left wing, if you want an example of left wing media look at the Guardian or to a lesser extend, the Independant. Not the BBC. Hell half the time CNN and BBC World aare showing exactly the same feeds. I feel I look at a broad enough range of media sources to be able to judge what is left, right and what lies closest to the centre, in terms of balanced reporting I do find the BBC very, very good.

Just for the record, socialism has a very precise definition far, far closer to communism that most people realise.

lookout123 06-03-2004 01:25 PM

i do understand the dictionary definition of socialism. what i was referring to is what is commonly accepted to be "socialist ideas".

whether it is left wing or right wing is all a matter of perspective. to you bbc is centrist and you support that by saying it reports about the same as cnn. personally i think cnn is pretty left of center, at times.

but that is what i was saying before - there is no fair and balanced reporting left in the media. and it is a damn shame.

Radar 06-03-2004 01:35 PM

Wow, I hope Kerry did flip them off. If he did, my opinion of him is better than before.

elSicomoro 06-03-2004 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Beestie
There are numerous legitimate studies that clearly demonstrate that the mainstream media is overwhelmingly liberal as evidenced by either self-procaimation or voting patterns.
Let's see some of them, then.

warch 06-03-2004 03:50 PM

Ha! If true, a breach of decorum, but a welcome one.
Do a bit of research on the poor offended delicate veteran Ted Sampley who reports this, what an obnoxious creep. "Ted Sampley, a North Carolina conservative who tried to discredit former prisoner of war John McCain as anti-veteran in 2000, runs a Web site called Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry." Apparently Sample assaulted McCain's campaign manager. Go Kerry Go! Frankly, I'm surprised at Kerry's moxy and it makes me like him more. I hope the kids cheered, too. :)

The media is up for sale. Never trust a "journalist" to be objective while sporting any nation's flag in his or her lapel.

edit correction- I read later it was a McCain staffer that Sampley beat up.

lumberjim 06-03-2004 05:05 PM

http://www.theonion.com/images/386/article2808.jpg

the media in general sucks my butt.

except for howard stern, the daily show, and
the onion

lookout123 06-03-2004 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Radar
Wow, I hope Kerry did flip them off. If he did, my opinion of him is better than before.
what about flipping off a vietnam vet makes you like him more?

elSicomoro 06-03-2004 08:43 PM

Don't get it twisted, lookout. He said nothing about like. With Radar, he just hates you less. :)

richlevy 06-03-2004 08:49 PM

Well, one advantage the President has over Kerry is that he can pick safe venues. The Secret Service can keep protesters over 100 yards away. If he picks a military school or base, a code of conduct prevents any active military personnel (and thanks to GW, almost all of them are active now) from criticizing the President in public.

This means he can cocoon himself with people who agree with them and only be exposed to the %40 of the public who don't vocally disagree with him.

I remember hearing about how during Vietnam Nixon actually left the White House to speak to a protester. Even Nixon had more balls than our current leader.

BTW, I think those 'flip flop' protesters at Kerry rallies are staged.

glatt 06-04-2004 07:29 AM

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Originally posted by richlevy
BTW, I think those 'flip flop' protesters at Kerry rallies are staged.
By "staged" do you mean "not spontanious"

I think most potesters do it with pre-meditation. Of course they are staged.

Catwoman 06-04-2004 08:57 AM

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Originally posted by lookout123
the problem is that the media no longer reports the news, they decide what IS news.
... and because the general blood sucking populace is incapable of distinguishing between WHAT is told and how it is told, our beliefs, ideals and social structure are all dictated by self-obsessed attention grabbing power seeking soul destroying MYTHs.

And I'm holding back on the capitalised four-letter words.

Kitsune 06-04-2004 09:26 AM

The Secret Service can keep protesters over 100 yards away.

Kerry gets the same treatment because he is a US Senator. His recent visit at USF, which is right up the street from me, resulted in roads being shut down by local police and a huge escort of Secret Service security. A large section of campus closed down where he was speaking.


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