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$23 Sparkle 300W from newegg. They have a good reputation if you want to go "cheap".
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How do you think they sell a power supply for so far less than $60 retail? They simply forget to include essential functions. Goes right back to a previous thread where I discussed the technical ignorance by so many computer people. The Sparkle supply is dumped into N America at higher profits because so many American technical experts don't even look at specs let alone understand them. It says right there - Quote:
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Get the meter. There are three subsystems just in the power supply - the PSU, motherboard control circuit, and power switch. Get the meter so that power supply can be eliminated as defective OR isolate the problem to one of three possible problems. All done in minutes. BTW, you will also learn how the computer really works. |
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However if an Athlon runs with heatsink disconnected, then Athlon will be toast within less than 5 seconds and usually also damages motherboard: Hot Spot - How Modern Processors Cope With Heat Emergencies Onboard temperature sensor only protects Athlons if heatsink is attached enough that CPU does not overheat quickly. But this is irrelevant to your problem. In fact, running a system in a 100 degree F room is how one debugs a defective computer. 100 degree F is normal temperature for any properly functioning PC. |
FWIW I have tested a Sparkle with a multimeter and the voltages were sound, but if you want to pay more you may. Of course a replacement motherboard is $75 these days so an additional $50 for a top class PS is up to you.
I don't keep a 100 degree room personally but there are those who might. |
my own personal PSU
The blue LEDs are helpful cos they tell you the power supply is on when it's dark and your system is under the desk. But it's $84. |
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The Sparkle power supply is dumped in America because so many so called computer experts recommend technology they don't even understand. BTW, that voltage test is the exact same reasoning that sent 7 Challenger astronauts to death. "It worked just fine yesterday - therefore it will launch just fine today." IOW "engineers are only dumb idiots. Thank goodnes we managers are so much smarter." The Sparkle tech numbers say it is crap. The O' rings on a similar and (one year) previous shuttle launch said quite loudly that Challenger should not be launched. Like the Sparkle recommendation, the shuttle manager 'expert' need not first read the numbers or understand technology principles. He just knows like so many clone computer assemblers who buy crap power supplies on one spec - price. VSP - I am suggesting where your problem may have been created. However we first need those numbers from the multimeter. Notice the price and specs provided by UT's "my own personal PSU". It claims to include essential functions - therefore costs maybe double. |
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My Asus mainboard came with a utility that records the fan speeds and temperatures and voltages as measured by the mainboard. I have never seen these voltages waver one bit even under the maximum load I could manage to put on the system. |
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Now let's return to fundamentals of quality. There are good components, bad components, and unknown components. Three categories. Unknown components and good components both measure good voltages. Then a sudden failure with massive damage happens. Power supply failure also takes out disk drive, Ram, motherboard, CD Rom, etc. Where was a voltage measurement going to predict the crappy power supply from the unknown category? Stable voltages only suggest a good supply. Bad voltages say, beyond a doubt, it was a crappy supply. No voltage measurement is going to detect a missing functions in that defective Sparkle supply. 3.5 digit multimeter can identify a failure. It cannot detect all design defects. Many conditions are necesary to define a minimally acceptable power supply. That Sparkle supply is the classic example of defective - even though it always measures good voltage. Bad voltage measurements will explain why VSP's computer is failing. But a quality supply - the first of three possibilities - demands that the supply meet a long list of critieria. A stable voltage tells us nothing about a good supply. It only says the supply is not bad - today. That Sparkle quickly violates criteria for acceptable - even though its voltage measure OK today. At this point I am appaulled I should even have to explain simple, fundamental technical concepts. PSU measures good voltage? Therefore it will never damage any computer? Where does this religion come from? Once VSP has a meter, only then will we start a 'step by step' process to fix his machine. In the meantime, it would be nice to have specifications for his power supply - to avoid other future problems. Today, we need a few minutes of voltage measurements to only begin an analysis. Start by eliminating PSU as reason for failure - before even speculating on anything else. |
All I know is that my motherboard costs more than my multimeter.
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My 3 1/2 digit Fluke was $650.;)
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Question from a computer user, not a computer builder:
Can you pull a power supply from a cheap older name brand computer and have it be more reliable? Seems to me a power supply is a pretty basic component, and if they made them better in the olden days, and you can get old, obsolete computers for less than $50, you can just pull a good power supply out of an old PC. |
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Not a good idea because the ratings (wattage) will likely not be sufficient to cover the newer computers' power requirements.
I used to have old computers that would work if I reassembled them, and the PS would have something like a rating of 200w. My computer now needs more like 300w and IT is an older model as well...800Mhz Celeron, one 10g HD a CDROM and a CDRW. My next one will have all this and more and thus will have a higher power requirement. Brian |
Besides what Brian said, my experience in fixing "store-bought" computers is that they often skimp on the power supply. I've seen relatively new systems with 70 watt ones!!
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