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wolf 04-10-2004 12:57 AM

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Originally posted by ladysycamore


Honestly, I don't know. I'd have to ask him, and get back to ya. That reminds me: I have to call him. He's in the hospital (nothing serious...gall stones).

As was pointed out not quite a month ago, I'm now a year past having dealt with that.

Gall stones are easier to deal with once you realize you are not having a heart attack ... and a LOT easier to deal with once you have the gall bladder removed.

Good luck to him, hope all goes well.

tw 04-10-2004 02:53 PM

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Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
BTW, Slate wasn't impressed with Condi.
From that Slate article:
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Here Rice revealed, if unwittingly, the roots—or at least some roots—of failure. Why did she need a recommendation to do something? Couldn't she make recommendations herself? Wasn't that her job? Given the huge spike of traffic about a possible attack (several officials have used the phrase "hair on fire" to describe the demeanor of those issuing the warnings), should she have been satisfied with the lack of any sign that the FBI wasn't tracking down the cells? Shouldn't she have asked for positive evidence that it was tracking them down?
We know FBI agents in AZ, MN and IL were on the trail of those 11 September terrorists. We also know that without pressure from above, then those FBI agents were told not to investigate. The quote from those IL FBI agents as it was yelled at them, "You will not open a criminal investigation."

Had Rice not waited for someone to tell her what to do, then at least three teams of FBI agents could have been empowered to investigate further. Furthermore, FL FBI agents were not even told to look for terrorism. Primary administration advisors never bothered to even 'shake the tree' for more informaton even after that 'historical' document? Of course not - according to Condi Rice testimony.

Why does Condi Rice need someone to tell her what to do before she takes 'actionable' action. History says quite bluntly that she should have been the originator of action - to find out what is and is not happening to avoid future terrorist attacks. My god. This nation's number one investigator in terrorism - John O'Neill - had to resign because he complained too loudly that no 'actionable' items existed.

To those who see emotionally, the Condi Rice testimony made her look good. To those who need facts, she did nothing everytime the 'actionable' item had to be originated by her.

Rice has already said she will not be part of the next George Jr administration.

blue 04-10-2004 05:31 PM

Holy crap! I actually agree with tw!

Holy Crap! I actually made it all the way through one of tw's posts!

Undertoad 04-11-2004 02:44 AM

To put it in perspective though, I understand that there were 70 different terrorist investigations going on around the time of 9/11.

Oh yes and Condi Rice is not in charge of the FBI.

Piddling little details

xoxoxoBruce 04-11-2004 03:43 AM

Condi's not in charge of anything, she's an advisor. Shouldn't she have been advising instead of just listening?....or ignoring?

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After thinking about that statement for a minute it occurs to me that she is the new school of management. The ones that don’t know the business, they just take credit for there underlings successes and blame failures on others. It probably never dawned on her to take an active rule in coordinating them.

I’ve had this gnawing feeling ever since I heard that three FBI field offices were told to back off, that someone made the decision to go after bigger fish because if an individual terrorist cell did act, they would only kill a few Americans anyway.


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