He says that creation isn't a theory because it's a belief. Well, evolution is believed by people, isn't it?

Not quite -- both evolution and creationism may be believed, but only one is a theory.

The only way you can prove anything is to experience it and no one alive has.

It is not the purpose of a theory to prove something, as no theory can be proven. Theories are simply there to provide a "working explanation" of what we notice in various phenomena and how they interact. Creationism doesn't do that.

In the Bible, a thousand years happens in an instant for God.

I rather like the theistic evolutionary ideas -- that the bible explains something in simplier terms/in terms relative to god. Its always been a bit friendlier to both sides of the issue.

This whole gravity thing is bullshit. When are people going to realize it's just a "theory"??

Teach evolution in Science classes, along with other competing theories based upon the scientific method (hypothesis, experimentation and theorization).

Teach creationism in Mythology classes, along with other competing belief systems based upon faith and religion.

No one can prove either. No one can DISPROVE either.

Gravity is a fact. Why and how it works is a theory. :p

Gravity isn't a theory its a law. A self-enforcing law. You break it and it breaks you back. :)

The demonstratable effects of gravity are facts, because they can be proven. There is a theory that explains these effects, which has yet to be disproven. That's what I was referring to.

Hey! I've seen that list before! I think that it was in a Jack Chick Tract!

http://www.chick.com/tractimages28610/0055/0055_08.gif

Good catch. But it's possible both of them got it from a third source.

There were enough problems in the tract to choke a horse, but here are a few in Chick's list:

1) Using the term "evolution" in steps 1-4 is perhaps linguistically accurate, but it is a deliberate attempt to imply that the theories stand or fall together.

2) Steps 2 and 3 are out of order. Higher elements don't "evolve", they are produced by fusion in the heart of stars.

3) He may have just run out of board space, but step 4 is oversimplified. Rocks are a subset of the elements and complex chemicals which predate life.

It's amusing that Chick has the scientist produce the "6 concepts" list, when it is part of the creationist playbook.

I don't know. There's the Bible and then there's Darwin. The Bible predates Darwin by thousands of years, so logically, the Bible would be the choice. But, Darwin is scientific and we, as scientific, reasoning species, want everything explained. Darwin explains evolution. But it's hard to grasp that we evolved from pond scum. I like to believe that we came from the Garden. It's a much more romantic and cleaner idea. Choices, choices!

Many don't take the Bible word for word, though. I see it as a book of faith, not a history book.

Why is something more believable because it is older?

That's not logic. That's nostalgia. A few hundred years ago, people thought rats spontaneously generated in garbage. We've learned a few things in the meantime.

Creationists always seem to be the sort that accept word for word literal truth in the Bible. That is a nasty combination.

My favorite idea of theirs is Adam and Eve romping around the Garden with all the animals - including dinosaurs- which had to have gone extinct because they died in the Great Flood.

It drives me nuts that creationists pick and choose the science facts and theories they decide to accept or reject.

One creationist that takes this 'believe only the science in the Bible' to its logical conclusion is at : http://www.fixedearth.com/

He argues that we should go back to geocentrism. Now that's at least consistent in rejecting all modern science!

Slartibartfast -- awesome link. This guy may be on to something.

WHAT IF - the Bible teaches a stationary earth (just like everyone agreed it did until Copernican and finally Newtonian "mathematics" scared the churches into thinking that "science" had proof of heliocentricity)?

Oh, yeah, I bet that is exactly how it happened. Copernicus scared the church into thinking the sun was the center of the solar system and Galileo disavowed his beliefs just for the hell of it.

Then, again, there is still nothing better than 4 simultaneous 24 hour days.

You are educated stupid.