um hello, example then?

Congrats on honing your stuff down to what's saleable out there, have you tried guru.com to get work at all?

We schooled you out of love, because you tried to come here and scam us into designing your logo. That's not what the community is all about, and so you became fair game. The web is harsh on anonymous people coming into communities and trying to USE them for things they are not really for. The community has to defend itself, and what you saw, unfortunately from your POV, was one of the most elegant defenses possible: the community turned around what was basically spam and made it a net positive for itself with humor and joy. And we've done it several times since.

Please hang out and see what we are really about. It's a community, so you truly get what you give. Asking for a handout logo without giving first is poor form but we are actually pretty accepting people and would gladly overlook it as a silly thing that happened.

I didn't see the defense as elegant. Especially when 90% of the sites belonging to the people who were part of the "elegant defense" looked liked dogsh!t. Whatever. It's all over and I'm just here for some exercise.

You fail to mention that 95% of those are not commercial sites, and therefore are permitted, or rather expected to look like dogshit.

If all you're here to do is spew vitrol, let me say, probably on behalf of a fair few people...
Fuck Off.

If you want to discuss design, web coding, web app development and the challanges of webdesign I'm more than happy to, or if you want to just contribute go for it but if all you're going to do is flame about your bruised ego from a thread from another era, seriously, fuck off.

Well, why discuss web programming, design, etc..., with the purpose of improving one’s skills, when the overall level of output is, well, dogsh!t? I wholly disagree that most non-commercial sites should look amateurish and non-standards compliant. It seems your mind is somehow pigeonholed in a time when animated gifs were an acceptable addition to a webpage. Have a look at moderately to heavily read blog sites. These are non-commercial sites that look good and are usually standards compliant. Check your facts first please, instead of leaning on the gray matter of a community that doesn't know markup from (insert obvious plural noun here).

And you're judging that based on what exactly? Think you're such hot shit? Congratualtions, you and half every other 3rd kid your age can code up some crap in PHP in your spare time and might even get it to scrape though the W3 validator for 1.1 transitional, get back to me when you're on StyleBoost or create something unique an interesting beyond pulling content out of mysql and creating some amazing header image with a probably stolen font in your pirated copy of photoshop.

heck everything I create is XHTML 1.0 Strict and CSS compliant and works in everything from IE4 to Opera and I certainly wouldn't entertain the idea that I'm good at web development.

Hey Beestie, if you animate that I'll host it on my webpage. I'm thinking have it flash a lime-green background or something. Oh, and a spinning skull. While we're at it, can someone make me a midi or something I can embed on every page? And is it okay if I leave the document title at "Untitled Document"?