Where in hell did you get that cock eyed definition? That has never been the American way and I doubt if it ever will be.
Russoto's right. The terrorists aren't all that particular who they kill as long as it disrupts stability.

You'll have to forgive tw...that's one of his pre-written messages...he must have hit the wrong button for today's message.

Good one syc :D

Once he started railing against the "blowhards", I wondered how he was gonna work George Jr. into the discussion. Silly me.

Unfortunately some people will run around waving the flag in hyperactivity to prove their patriotism. Same type people are what Hitler needed to kill Jews and anyone else promoted as inferior (ie gyspies). Flag waving will inspire the mentally naive to, for example, follow a lying president into invading another sovereign nation. Flag waving is what most struck the investigators on Watergate hearings. In Watergate, they couldn't be concerned with understanding basic facts such as the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Even Nixon before the Supreme Court tried to claim he was a sovereign leader like the King of England. In Iraq, an American president would outrightly lie about WMD, provided no supporting facts, and the same 'flagwavers' would promote and support an illegal and unprovoked war. Those 'self described' patriots can be a threat to the nation. As leming, they can be manipulated. Lemings definitely are not American patriots.


History is full of great American patriots. They don't make conclusions based upon flag waving. They are too smart to, for example, use the pathetic Daily News or local gosip Action News as infomation sources. Instead real Patriots learn facts before making decisions.

It is unknown whether the DARPA futures market idea had merit. But demonstrated is that classic anti-Americans opposed it that day because, by definition, they could not bother to first learn the facts. Myopic morality was all the proof they needed.

Flag waving does not create intelligence nor prove patriotism. Flag waving can identify a mentally blind and naive follower. ""Kill the bastards. They don't think like we have always thought; therefore must be evil."" A problem that innovators must often face - the anti-American who does not first learn and therefore fears change while hyping the flag.

Name any great American in history. He is always an innovator. Essential to the definition of an American patriot. Surprising how many so hate America as to think their emotions are sufficient to judge that DARPA terrorist market idea. But then many still never really learned what makes a patriotic American.

You're making an assumption. You have no way of knowing what they knew or didn't know and when. They could have known weeks before this became public knowledge.
As far as waiting for all the facts before acting, that's exactly what they did at Pearl Harbor.

How often do you read an epic novel in one day? Hyping leaders had but one day in which they were already expressing opinions. And yet to understand a futures market - even the one called Penn Jersey Maryland electric grid - is hundreds, maybe thousands of pages. Value or the devil is in the details. Without knowledge of those details, those emotional type immediate jumped to conclusions.

Had those politicians been acceptable leaders, then it would have taken closer to a month to understand whether this futures market had merit. But some leaders did not. They knew that most people out here cannot tell the difference between a smart thinker and an emotional hyper. How many others had seen this enough to say, "Wait a minute. We don't have any facts to make such a decision."

In the first days, I looked everywhere for even hints as to how this terrorist futures market would work. It is clear even from the reporters reports that no one knew details - meaning no one had the right to be making blanket declarations about the morality of that concept.

But then decisions were being made on morality - which is an early indication that the decision maker is his own worst enemy. Decisions based predominately on 'morals' is how the extremists like to impose their values on everyone else - to save us from ourselves.

So you think the DARP came up with this scheme over lunch and went public when they got back to the office. Pullleeessseee. No, it just means the reporters weren't asking the people that knew or the people that knew weren't talking. I agree but there is nothing wrong with saying, hey, it looks like a duck, I want to hear it quack.

Hundreds of reporters all with access to Congressman who would love to 'brief' a reporter on background - off the record. And yet still the reporters could not describe what kind of futures market the DARPA study was proposing. Notice it was only $8million to further study the idea - not implement it.

It if walks alike a duck - fine. But it did not even get a chance to be incubated because so many Americans, so irresponsible, could not separate their inferior, silly emotions from logical thought. The quashing of this DARPA study is completely and totally a result of little minds with too much emotion and looking to appear to too many mentally weak or uninformed Americans.

I see nothing but curious interest in a terrorism futures market especially when those who would most suffer from such catastrophic disaster cannot even get insurance from Llyods for such a problem. But again, the mentally fearful (typically extreme conservatives or liberals) fear change - fear to innovate - fear to be pragmatic when poltical rhetoric is so much more important -fear to go where no man has gone before. And so they would advocate the firing of Adm Poindexter and agree with a the administration of a mental midget president rather than study would could be a major innovation for mankind - terrorism futures markets.

Those Congressman and Senators were not informed about this proposal until the proposal was made - just days ago. In 24 hours, they were lining up to prove to the mentally weak (people who only make decisions based upon emotion) what moral men they were. In reality, they were the classic example of why morality is so evil - why the moralists insist on saving us from ourselves - even when we don't need and don't want to be saved.

Smart men would have said spend the money and lets see what could happen - what a study might learn. Smart men from the same organization spent money on something else that every major organization in the field - IBM, AT&T, etc - said could not and would not work. That innovation - because men did not fear to innovate - is called the internet.

In a board of free thinkers, the local response to this DARPA study is also weak kneed, pathetic, and anti-innovative. But then the Cellar does suffer from a problem. Too many of its contributors have the East coast disease. "Fear to innovate".

Remember, you heard it here folks. All those moral bastards exposed by TW the immoral.

Any argument that can be used to seperate Poindexter from state power is moral.

And Poindexter did what to deserve such a conclusion?

from here Poindexter was convicted on multiple felony counts on April 7, 1990 for conspiracy, obstruction of justice, lying to Congress, defrauding the government, and the alteration and destruction of evidence pertaining to the Iran-Contra Affair. The conviction was overturned in 1991 on the grounds that he had been granted immunity from prosecution as a result of his testimony before Congress.

Its my contention that the loopy congresscritters, who btw knew this was coming, were waiting for an opportunity to get rid of the admiral.

I think 13 years at his paygrade is ample reward for his treachery.

aside- Like to help you out Griff but that website demands waaaaay to much info.:(

This article has a little more info. The bets were limited to $100 which would eliminate the funding terror angle. They also mention that HP has used a similar process which explains why tw left his knee-jerk anti-Republicanism behind on this one. ;) It is a shame that the program wasn't laid out properly to the press.

Well that article indicates TW might have been right on this one.
Just goes to show the dangers of constantly crying wolf*.


* no offense. Eva. :D