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elSicomoro 07-22-2003 10:32 PM

Look! Up in the sky!

It's a bird!

It's a plane!

No! It's the ACLU!

Tobiasly 07-23-2003 08:45 AM

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Originally posted by SteveDallas

Surely somebody's going to start tunneling it through SSH. Then it would get interesting.

How would this help? They would still have your ip address. SSH only prevents people in the middle from snooping or altering the packets, neither of which the RIAA is doing.

vsp 07-23-2003 09:29 AM

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Originally posted by sycamore
It's the ACLU!
And their even-more-relevant-in-this-case cousin, the <a href="http://www.eff.org/">Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)</a>. (Not that I'd knock ACLU support, of course, but the EFF has been on this and similar issues like white on rice for years.)


SteveDallas 07-23-2003 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tobiasly

How would this help? They would still have your ip address. SSH only prevents people in the middle from snooping or altering the packets, neither of which the RIAA is doing.

Hmm it does quite a bit by obscuring the content of what's being shared.... unless an RIAA shill actually signs onto the network to participate. Never mind.

Of course if there were some kind of IP-laundering service.. and it were located in an off-shore data haven.... hmmmm.... maybe this is the sequel to Neal Stephenson's "Cryptonomicon"!

Silent 07-23-2003 03:31 PM

How do they ID?
 
If all they have to go by is IP address, what do they do in, say, my case? I'm on ADSL and the IP the outside world sees is rotated pretty regularly. Would my ISP even be tracking what it is? I would think that sort of thing is heavily automated. Would they bother to log all that information? If they scan for more information I'm heavily firewalled so any scan would turn up zip.
I don't use any of the knutella clones some I'm pretty safe for now (I think ) but in the future....:confused:

Undertoad 07-23-2003 04:27 PM

Sure your ISP can track back to you -- and sure they have an easy mechanism to do it, because so many people abuse their Internet provider in every way imaginable.

Silent 07-23-2003 04:48 PM

I'm positive they could right now. But 30 days from now, if they get a court order to reveal who 142.177.13.143 was on such and such a date, could they do it? My ip at times has changed hourly.

hot_pastrami 07-23-2003 04:52 PM

The ISP's servers automatically log all that stuff.... that's the way that they find spammers, too. I'll betcha they could determine what user had what IP to the very minute. They'd have to wade through log files, but that's not too difficult.

Silent 07-23-2003 05:00 PM

Bugger.

So much for that slim hope.

How long before before they start on the DC++ hubs? Most of them are hosted in Europe. I might still have time.....

xoxoxoBruce 07-23-2003 05:24 PM

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I'll betcha they could determine what user had what IP to the very minute. They'd have to wade through log files, but that's not too difficult.
Dave's company could do that in their sleep.....and more.:eek:

SteveDallas 07-23-2003 05:32 PM

An interesting exception may be public WiFi hot-spots. If they don't require a login there's no way you can trace it back. (On a wired network you can usually figure out pretty easily which switch port a particular MAC address is coming from.)

Undertoad 07-24-2003 10:16 AM

This list of file-sharing users targetted by current action is linked by /. today. As you can see Sycamore has made the list:

TMONEYNDHIZOUSE@kazaa

Shame, Syc!

Uryoces 07-24-2003 02:08 PM

This is a real dilemma. The RIAA is technically not wrong; person A has shared a copyrighted song. IANAL, but I believe fair use states I share this with my immediate friends. I don't klnow if fair use takes into account my closest 1.5 million friends, though.

OTOH, the RIAA is just about the most unethical corporation there is. They regularly rip off the people they have signed with them and they have filed frivolous lawsuits -- remember the 97 billion dollar suit against the college student sharing within his campus? They badger, threaten, and bar their customers from exercising their legal rights. Their behavior should qualify them for RICO status.

xoxoxoBruce 07-24-2003 03:36 PM

Hey Syc, if you need a character witness, I'll testify. I'll swear and affirm, you're a character.:rolleyes:

elSicomoro 07-24-2003 06:24 PM

That name is funny, as that is some shit I would say...but it's not me.

Though after he gets hit with a lawsuit from the RIAA, I'm going to break out my Sam's Club-sized can of whoopass on him for lifting my name. Fucker!


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