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dave 06-24-2003 12:44 PM

Yes.

wolf 06-24-2003 12:54 PM

Economic Left/Right:
ORIGINAL (11/18/02) 2.50
CURRENT (6/24/03) 5.38

Authoritarian/Libertarian
ORIGINAL 0.92
CURRENT 0.77

warch 06-24-2003 02:26 PM

I forget what I got last time, but I was in the same quadrant. This go round I made:

Economic L/R = -4.0
Auth/ Lib = -6.67

I saw a large portion of the Democratic candidates fielding questions and here is my armchair, no depth media review- Gephardt is such a weasel, he'll tank. Smarm-o-rama. In a close second was Lieberman, ugh. Time! Shuddup awready . Kucinch's statements actually garnered some laughs (unplanned), Mosley Braun hung in there, but not powerful or substantial enough. I kept waiting for Al to rhyme. The two that rose to the top- Kerry and Dean. Of those two, Dean stuck the landing with his straight talking style.

xoxoxoBruce 06-24-2003 06:15 PM

4 left 1 down. But tomorrow who knows? depends what pisses me off tomorrow.:p

richlevy 06-25-2003 12:06 AM

The Political Compass

Economic Left/Right: -4.25
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -3.18

Hmm. Pretty close to Sycamore and Dave.

jaguar 06-25-2003 12:17 AM

Economic Left/Right: -3.62
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -7.56

Hasen't moved much in 2 years, i don't think it's very accurate though, too many questions are far too ambigious.

Tobiasly 06-25-2003 10:25 AM

I've never much understood executive orders. What is their jurisdiction? How, if at all, can they be overturned?

Undertoad 06-26-2003 11:16 AM

The EO is, I think, really just a statement of policy from the Executive branch. It doesn't really override the Supreme Court, which is another reason for us to disrespect Gephardt on the matter. If he understands the issue, he never should have made the statement; if he doesn't understand the issue, he should never be President.

Truman used an EO to segregate the military, after the other branches didn't take an interest in the issue. That makes sense; Truman was Cmdr in Chief, and certainly had the ability to establish policy for the armed forces. Later, Truman tried to use an EO to take over a steel mill, and the SC prevented it on behalf of the owners, saying that the Pres didn't have that kind of power.

warch 06-26-2003 12:12 PM

Well it seems an EO power play can direct many things: departments, action plans, honorary recognition, etc., but often sets up policy, and if that policy is controversial, it may be challenged in court and deemed unconstitutional. It takes a while to litigate, so meanwhile, the order is in effect. It can at least buy some time.( I'm thinking of Bush's EO to block public access to Reagan's papers that were set to be released.)

SC can override an EO. Rock Paper Scissors.

Happy Monkey 07-06-2004 06:53 PM

Phew.


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