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What about a brain dead person (once self-aware, now not)? |
If there's a possibility they can be woken, they are still a collection of experiences from consciousness and must be considered a person. If not, their consciousness has come to an end and so has their personhood. This is why we allow for things like Do Not Resuscitate orders.
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Stan's wife has cancer. It eats away at her, transforms her from vibrant sexy woman into withered embryo-thing in three months. It kills her. Stan hates that disease but it's doubtful he ascribes immorality or moral depravity to the cancer. But, if instead of cancer, a hoodlum beats her to death for her pocketbook, Stan will hate the hoodlum precisely for his immorality, his depravity. That is: Stan will hate the hoodlum because that monster 'is' a person. |
"This is why we allow for things like Do Not Resuscitate orders."
I may be wrong, but: isn't DNR generally the call of the patient (don't bring me back) or the patient's loved ones (my husband wouldn't want this, let him go)?
In other words: DNR isn't about the cessation of personhood but about the wishes of the ill or the ill's trusted spokesperson, yeah? |
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A tiger is just looking for lunch and answering its instincts. A person, because they are self-aware, is aware of what they're doing... not only that, but also, aware of what it means to be the other, suffering person. Unless the perpetrator is sociopathic. But also interestingly, sociopaths' worst acts are described as inhuman, for that lack of awareness. "monster" is similarly a description of something non-human. (Not you, monster) |
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If you're self aware, to you, you're a person. A being. If I see you as a monster or a sociopath, then to me, you're not. It's just a shell game. The term is changeable in meaning depending on the way you use it. Fun. |
The definition of a person is a human being regarded as an individual. So if you regard a fetus as an individual then it's a person.
I don't regard a fetus as an individual until it can physically survive without a host. ymmv A goldfish is not a person because it is not a human being. The rest of your questions are also answered by the definition of the term. |
I would point out that babies are just eating, shitting and crying machines until they are a few months old. They are not consciously aware of themselves for a period of time that will vary from child to child, but is a few months.
You can see the change in them. There's a point where a light comes on inside and they actually look AT things instead of just have their eyes open. I think they are persons at birth, but only because it is a convenient place to draw the line. |
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"If you're self aware, to you, you're a person. A being. If I see you as a monster or a sociopath, then to me, you're not."
Which again raises the question: is personhood intrinsic or bestowed? If intrinsic: then your opinion may affect your responses and reactions (you may treat me as sumthin' other than person) but doesn't change the fact I'm a person. If bestowed: then opinion is all we have to work with and you seein' me as monster (not a person) in fact actually determines my personhood. It's an important distinction. |
"I don't regard a fetus as an individual until it can physically survive without a host."
I take that as a vote for 'personhood is bestowed", yeah? |
"I love the question Henry, but I can't answer it."
No one can.
Notions of 'self' & 'personhood' have been on the table since (probably) before (proto)man fell out of the trees. There's no agreement on: what comprises 'self' or 'person', whether or not personhood is intrinsic or bestowed, is non human life capable of personhood (the answer depending heavily on whether personhood is intrinsic or bestowed), and on and on. |
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Future potential is not really relevant to me, only actual, but any level of actual is good enough.
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