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elSicomoro 03-23-2003 04:50 AM

In this Quality Images thread, UT posted a photo of a group of naked people forming the word "PEACE" with their bodies.

It was done by a UK group called Bare Witness, "Naked Protest for Peace" as their website says. You can buy a t-shirt with the PEACE photo for $15.66 US (£10 UK).

http://msdelta.net/~sycamore/cellar/lsdove.jpg

The above photo came from the Bare Witness site: It's a group of people forming a dove on Lake Superior. A larger version of the photo is available on the Bare Witness site. Apparently, as the folks were doing this, they were being heckled by people on snowmobiles.

And sorry, folks...they're not naked.

elSicomoro 03-23-2003 10:56 PM

When I heard about the Al-jazeera footage this morning, I headed over to their site. As of early this afternoon, they had only posted pics of dead Iraqi civilians. I suspect that they have posted the POW footage now though...their site is overwhelmed with traffic. I can't get to it.

Al-Jazeera is apparently justifying showing the footage by saying that the US showed photos of the captured Taliban in Afghanistan. Great...are we going to get into a shit-flinging fight over "illegal combatants" again? Perhaps I should read up on US policy and the Geneva Convention.

Did anyone see the President on TV this afternoon? Did you see how grey his hair has gotten since he became president? Just like Clinton. Shit, I couldn't be president...I don't like grey hair.

From the BBC: Kuwaitis talk about Iraq and the United States. Also, a look at the history of Britain's relationship with Iraq.

elSicomoro 03-23-2003 11:13 PM

WARNING...GRAPHIC

Dead US soldiers (in Arabic--I can't get Ajeeb to do the translation right now)

slang 03-25-2003 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sycamore
Shit, I couldn't be president...I don't like grey hair.
All the world leaders would be snickering at you with *RED* hair rufus.

BTW, the pow footage has only been out for a day or two and I'm burned out from it already. Where is the footage of the 3000 pows in US custody?

elSicomoro 03-25-2003 07:57 PM

Did anyone see Michael Moore's Oscar speech Sunday night?

From the San Francisco Chronicle (note the bolded area):

"We live in fictitious times. We live in the time where we have fictitious election results that elect a fictitious president. We live in a time where we have a man who's sending us to war for fictitious reasons, whether it's the fiction of duct tape or the fiction of orange alerts," Moore said.

I like Michael Moore...I agree with a lot of what he says.

But what the fuck was that first part about?

Newsflash to the bitter: Bush won. It's over. He won fair and square, under the conditions asked for by Gore. Bush got the most electoral votes. End of story. If you don't like it, vote him out next November.

Did you all know that Flipper is serving the US military proudly? God bless him!

With the pre-war talk of offering Saddam Hussein exile, CBC presents various leaders that have fled into exile. Surprising omissions: The Shah of Iran, Mobutu Sese Seko, Baby Doc. Interesting tidbit: Idi Amin is living happily in Saudi Arabia.

Uday Hussein a possible murderer? Liars! If indeed true, it's horrible, yet not surprising.

Talk radio host Michael Smerconish wrote an article in the Philadelphia Daily News on Friday, arguing that we should not be protesting against war b/c of its possible effects on the troops. Read the article.

I don't mind Smerconish sometimes, but other times, he just hits that crack pipe a bit too hard.

People have the right to protest, for freedom of speech is protected by the First Amendment. Unless people have been living under rocks, it's been well-noted for some time that a war would not be favored by some of the population. Those going to battle most likely knew this. And with all the embedded press, I'm sure those soldiers now know that recent polls show strong support for the war. Furthermore, I think we learned a valuable lesson from Vietnam, and I don't honestly think we would treat Gulf War vets as we did Vietnam vets (if unsuccessful).

Lastly, Al-Jazeera has created a small English-language site. My recommendation: use ajeeb.com to translate the Arabic version.

elSicomoro 03-25-2003 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by slang
All the world leaders would be snickering at you with *RED* hair roofus.
It's only obvious in the light...but at least there's no grey hair. :)

slang 03-25-2003 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sycamore


It's only obvious in the light...but at least there's no grey hair. :)

But the nosering, that's obvious, right?

Undertoad 03-25-2003 08:26 PM

I'm amazed that you have a higher tolerance level of (Philly talk radio guy) Smerc than I do. I think the guy's an ass.

wolf 03-26-2003 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by slang
All the world leaders would be snickering at you with *RED* hair rufus.
Wow ... dissed Syc and used Latin to do it.

Man, that turns me on. ;)
(in a "wow, Tish, you spoke French" kind of way, except, of course, we're boycotting France right now.)

Quote:

Where is the footage of the 3000 pows in US custody?
Well ... there's two major players in this game, one of whom pays attention to the stuff in the Geneva Convention, and one that doesn't ....

Griff 03-26-2003 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sycamore

Newsflash to the bitter: Bush won. It's over. He won fair and square, under the conditions asked for by Gore. Bush got the most electoral votes. End of story. If you don't like it, vote him out next November.


Unfortunately, thats the basis of a lot of the Democratic opposition to the war. If Gore were doing it it'd be fine. The Donkeys certainly enjoy warmaking as much as the Elephants, although they prolly would have sought foreign support.

elSicomoro 03-27-2003 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by wolf
Well ... there's two major players in this game, one of whom pays attention to the stuff in the Geneva Convention, and one that doesn't ....
I'm not so sure of that...the one seems to pay attention to it only when it's convenient.

Griff 03-27-2003 10:53 AM

It almost sounds like a Clintonism, it all depends on how you define enemy combatant.

warch 03-27-2003 02:29 PM

I like hearing the intelligent commentary of Tony Blair. He has persuaded me to have a bit of hope for a positive outcome. Bush and his circle scare me with their brand of morality, fundamental religiosity, and clumsy rationalization abroad and at home.

Undertoad 03-27-2003 03:13 PM

Blair is a remarkable speaker and a true leader.

elSicomoro 03-27-2003 03:15 PM

*twilight zone moment*

For some reason, the way Shepps said that made him sound like Radar.

doo-doo-doo-doo...


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