The Cellar

The Cellar (http://cellar.org/index.php)
-   Politics (http://cellar.org/forumdisplay.php?f=5)
-   -   jews: are we actually different? (http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=26959)

regular.joe 03-05-2012 04:25 PM

My intuition is telling me I won't care at that point.

BigV 03-05-2012 05:56 PM

are jews actually different? Not really. But this Jewish custom (emphasis on the word custom), yeah. That is different.

Ibby 03-05-2012 08:57 PM

Exactly. Jewish culture and history, and thus identity, emphasizes that Jews are different. They are the chosen people, and thus, even if they don't believe in the religious doctrine of Judaism, still tend believe in being a part of the Jewish community, with a distinct yet assimilated culture. Judaism is about story and law - and neither without the other. Keeping Jewish custom - not necessarily Orthodoxy, but at least custom and culture - is what defines Jews, much more than their ethnic separation from the local culture. But this is more than just keeping Jewish religious culture - it's (in this argument more importantly) Jewish family culture, Jewish upbringing. And it seems to be at the very least statistically plausible, then, that their customs and culture are particularly aligned towards "success". It doesn't hurt that most American Jews are middle- or upper-class, either.

It's like saying Asian-Americans are particularly smart. Broadly, yes, that's often true - but it's because of the Asian work/academic ethic, because "tiger moms" raise their kids to strive for that. Similarly, I would argue that it's a cultural and customs-based difference in upbringing and worldview that has little to do with ethnicity and is mostly detached from the religious roots of the custom. It's a matter of raising your kids the way you were raised, even if you raise them secularly or without much emphasis on their Jewishness.

GunMaster357 03-06-2012 04:26 PM

Reminds me of an discussion taking place between two guys in a book (fiction). The setting is post-apocalyptic. They are gathered with a group of survivors and one evening one of them reads the Bible out loud as a way to pass time. Just read, not preaching. After a while, one guy asks :

"According to the Book, all of us come from Adam and Eve?"
"Yes, that's what it says."
"And Adam and Eve were Jews, right?"
"Again, yes."
"So we are all Jews?"
"In a a way..."
"Then why do the Jews think they are more Jewish than us?"

While I think this discussion was there for some comic relief in the book, and sure I laughed, I thought that the question was interesting.

regular.joe 03-06-2012 06:35 PM

It's kind of like the guy who dies and goes to heaven. He's being showen around the place and is a little surprised to see that people are still living in groups in heaven. The Catholics have a neighborhood, the Jews have a neighborhood and so on. Finally he notices that there is not a southern Baptist to be seen anywhere. He asks about this and is told that they live way over there out of sight of everyone else. He asks "why"? His host says "they think they are the only ones here".

tw 03-06-2012 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by regular.joe (Post 800002)
It's kind of like the guy who dies and goes to heaven. He's being showen around the place and is a little surprised to see that people are still living in groups in heaven.

Which way to the virgins?

You have your religion. And I have mine.

sexobon 03-07-2012 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by regular.joe (Post 800002)
It's kind of like the guy who dies ... and is a little surprised to see that people are still living in groups ...

Satan calls muster in hell and says:
"All the murderers assemble in a group to my left."
So all the murderers line up in formation to his left.
"Next, all the adulterers assemble in a group to my right."
And all the adulterers line up in formation to his right.
"Now, all the Christians form a group directly behind me."
As all the Christians move past Satan to form up behind him, one of them looks up and says: "You mean ...!
Satan nods and says: "The Jews were right."

infinite monkey 03-09-2012 02:40 PM

I totally don't get that joke. :blush:

Please 'splain? :)

regular.joe 03-09-2012 04:37 PM

1 Attachment(s)
Quote:

Originally Posted by tw (Post 800018)
Which way to the virgins?


tw 03-09-2012 05:39 PM

Did I mention my fantasies?

Like religion, my fantasies are also protected by the Constitution (and the NRA).

sexobon 03-10-2012 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by infinite monkey (Post 800640)
I totally don't get that joke. :blush:

Please 'splain? :)

It's a silly double whammy played off gross generalities about religious ideas. If you look at it in terms of complex belief systems, you won't get it. It's premised on the ideas that Christians believe Jesus is God (divine) and Jews do not; also, that Christians believe in hell (eternal punishment) and Jews do not. The joke implies that if Jews are right about Jesus, then Christians are worshipping a false God (#3. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.) and will be condemned to hell pursuant to their own beliefs; also, that it wouldn't matter if Jews are wrong about hell not existing because no one gets sent there for not believing in it anyways.

wolf 03-11-2012 02:18 PM

I guess you had to be there.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:42 PM.

Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.