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Undertoad 01-16-2012 02:38 PM
Give the Ottoman Empire back to the Ottomans.

Pete Zicato 01-16-2012 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 788417)
Give the Ottoman Empire back to the Ottomans.
Cool. I've got an ottoman for my easy chair. How much land will it own?

Undertoad 01-16-2012 02:44 PM
No chair is easy in the levant my friend.

piercehawkeye45 01-16-2012 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 788417)
Give the Ottoman Empire back to the Ottomans.
Typical naive response. Go back farther in history UT. That land is obviously the Persians...

HungLikeJesus 01-16-2012 02:59 PM
Give India back to the Indians.

Spexxvet 01-16-2012 03:18 PM
Aren't the Israelis really just Jewish Palestinians?

Rhianne 01-16-2012 04:02 PM
Some are.

classicman 01-16-2012 04:08 PM
Are the rest Palestinian Jews? ;)

ZenGum 01-16-2012 07:44 PM
Ok, here it is.

Everyone has to stop taking their make-believe game so seriously.
Everyone has to stop expecting other people to take their make-believe game as seriously as they do.
Everyone has to stop basing their world view on the idea that their imaginary friend promised this bit of real estate to them.
Everyone has to stop expecting other people to take the promises of their imaginary friend as seriously as they do.

That's good for a start, but the group identities of many of the groups involved also deeply involve hatred/resentment/desire to destroy one or more of the other groups. That has to go too.

Lamplighter 01-16-2012 08:02 PM
Z, that's worthy of advancing you to 2nd Level Imaginary Friend.

mw451 02-14-2012 04:36 PM
Germany!!!
 
They will fix it, just wait and see.

TheMercenary 02-14-2012 04:50 PM
Well first off it is not about Palestinians anymore. It is about Iran, Hamas and Fatah, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, and of course the US. There is no simple solution. One thing that would help if they could cut the head off the snake of Iran's meddling and get the Israeli's to stop building more settlements where they don't belong.

piercehawkeye45 02-14-2012 04:52 PM
I forget the reason but I've heard Iran is actually losing their influence on Hezbollah, Hamas, or both. They share mutual interests but Hezbollah and Hamas want to be seen as independent.

TheMercenary 02-14-2012 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 795207)
I forget the reason but I've heard Iran is actually losing their influence on Hezbollah, Hamas, or both. They share mutual interests but Hezbollah and Hamas want to be seen as independent.
They would not exist without Iran.

piercehawkeye45 02-14-2012 04:56 PM
Yet not seen as their lapdogs.

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Hamas appears to be drifting away from its longtime patron Iran — part of a shift that began with last year's Arab Spring and accelerated over Tehran's backing of the pariah regime in Syria.

The movement's top leader in exile, Khaled Mashaal, wants Hamas to be part of the broader Islamist political rise triggered by the popular uprisings sweeping across the Arab world. For this, Hamas needs new friends like the wealthy Gulf states that are at odds with Iran.

For now, Hamas won't cut ties with Iran or close its headquarters-in-exile in the Syrian capital of Damascus, officials in the movement said.

However, relations have become increasingly strained.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/...3#.TzrmeLRZorM


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