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tw 03-27-2010 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by morethanpretty (Post 643388)
Sorry glatt, I'm kinda lost on the Roth IRA and mutual funds thing. Do I have to choose the companies to buy the stock in, and if so how the hell do I do that?

First you must decide whether the money is in for retirement. Or for investment that you will use before retirement.

Retirement accounts mean if you change the investment, you do not pay taxes. And if you withdrawal money early, then you pay a penalty.

Once you decide which account, then move on to what that account will invest in. glatt has the best answer. The best long term investment for the minimum risk as cited repeatedly by so many of the world's most successful investors including Warren Buffet and Peter Lynch.

They also note what to invest in. Companies that you first understand the products. For example, if you understand fashion businesses, then you know which ones are truly in the rising tide. Nothing in the financials can report a good investment. Financials can only flag an impending disaster or identify good suspects. But the product is where decisions are made.

Many do not understand these businesses. So invest in mutual funds where brokers take a fee regardless of performance. If your fund is doing 8% and the broker takes his 1% or 2%, then appreciate how much you have really lost.

Some invest index funds where the broker need not choose what to invest in. These also have service charges - only less.

The informed investor that fears to select obviously profitable investment then buys SPDRs. These are baskets of securities where the broker only takes a commission - just like buying any other stock. For example, some SPDRs include the QQQs which is a basket of high tech stocks. IOW you have all the advantages of an index mutual fund without the broker who is always the problem.

Another is SPY which is (if I remember) every stock in the S&P 500.

SPDRs will always outperform the index mutual funds by eliminating the biggest problem in a mutual fund – broker’s service charges. A service charge is a tax that provides you nothing useful. Remember, brokers get paid excessively because Wall Street ‘deserves’ it.

Successful investors saw and see Apple and Google as viable investments. Among other promising investments is Ford for obvious reasons. Even Toyota did a surprise turnaround faster than expected. Industries that probably will not do well are big pharma and (as usual) airlines. But then exceptions always exist. Exceptions you cannot see without years of experience understanding those industry products. SouthWest Airlines a good investment? Maybe. But I do not understand airlines sufficiently.

Warren Buffet is quite blunt about this. His close friend Bill Gates constantly makes recommendations. Buffet does not understand computer. He understands Dairy Queen, MacDonalds, and trains. Like any good investor, he only invests in industries he has long understood.

However if you have not watched and understood businesses in any one industry, then best is to invest in the SPDRs (pronounced Spiders). But first decide if this is a retirement account or something you will cash in before retirement.

morethanpretty 03-28-2010 12:11 PM

So, basically I should hire a financial adviser who is paid by fee-only.

I do want to save for retirement, so I guess that means stock-market, but I don't have much confidence in my ability to choose stock.

This group looks good (to me)
http://keenerfinancial.com/

Their offices aren't all that close, but close enough...

Any red flags?

squirell nutkin 03-28-2010 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by morethanpretty (Post 643737)

Any red flags?

You mean apart from you handing over your hard earned cash to someone else to invest in the stock market? The STOCK MARKET?

Put your money in a coffee can under your bed and when it fills up, get another coffee can.

Did you not hear about what happened to everyone a couple of years ago? Let's say everything goes according to plan for the next 40 or 60 years and you hit retirement age with a big wad of cash and then there is another "correction" and your big wad of cash puts you in the place where a number of my friends and friend's parents are: SOL and living at a subsistence level having lost 50 to 75% of their money.

Invest in rental properties if you have to invest in something.

tw 03-28-2010 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by morethanpretty (Post 643737)
So, basically I should hire a financial adviser who is paid by fee-only.

I do want to save for retirement, so I guess that means stock-market, but I don't have much confidence in my ability to choose stock.

Listed was how you do not choose any company. You buy the SPDR for an entire industry or for the entire S&P 500, etc. Unlike index mutual funds that routinely underperform the market (due to service charges), your returns are almost same as the industry average. With SPDRs, you are actually buying stocks - not a mutual fund manager.

Many friends who do well at this do not trust a broker to make decisions. Brokers traditionally underperform the market. They are salesman. Are taught the rules. Really know little about companies or their products. Know more about manipulating you.

One friend, instead, hires a financial advisor paid only to make recommendations. He chooses from their recommendations. As a result, his wife's credit cards are now larger than the mortgage payments.

A full service broker is paid big fees as someone who will advise you. These 'service charges' tend to average a poorer performance. Many instead buy through discount brokers (Charles Schwab, E-Trade, Ameritrade, etc). Why pay big service charges to one whose history is to underperform the market? Especially when buying a SPDR is a 'no-brainer'.

You are strongly recommended to do something fast with a small amount of money. Every day you delay is that many days less that you learn. Many will incur a loss on their first investment. But the resulting knowledge and 'feel' for the whole concept more than covers that loss.

I usually take at least a year to finally appreciate the value of an investment. But you need to get your feet wet ASAP. Set up a small account most anywhere (ie a discount brokerage) to start learning what nobody can teach you. Then in a year you may appreciate some key investments.

Understand the difference between a retirement accounts (for all investments) verses a regular account (which is also for all types of investments). Those accounts can invest in anything (depending on the broker who holds those accounts).

You will not do the necessary one or two minutes every day keying on new details (information) if you do not have something invested. For example, 100 shares of Ford at $1300 means you will learn quickly the how much valuable information was always around you only because you now key in on the word 'Ford'. Once you have something invested, then lessons will come paying attention to any story only about your one tiny investment. Ie what that bystander thought about the product. That is how you learn investing. Something that nobody can teach you. How to really appreciate the value and massive rewards when investing. And how much valuable information was always around you - but you had no previous reason to pay attention.

Even purchasing 100 shares of SPY - a SPDR - means you are now paying attention for one minute every day. Therefore learning more than you thought possible. Do a tiny investment somewhere ASAP so that you will start learning things nobody can teach you. You cannot learn (appreciate) anything significant without at least some wet toes.

tw 03-28-2010 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by morethanpretty (Post 643737)
Any red flags?

One friend learned to be a financial advisor. His training at night classes took three months. Then he was a fully trained financial advisor.

He is taught what to tell you. And what he cannot legally tell you. So he recommended leasing a car rather than buying it so that you can have a new car every three years. That is not prudent investement advise. But that is what the company taught him to tell you.

IOW he was educated to be a salesman. There were things to learn from him. And other things he said that only enriched the firm.

But you do need to get your feet wet. That means starting ASAP with something tiny. It will take you at least a year of wet feet to better appreciate, for example, what I am saying.

Clodfobble 03-28-2010 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by morethanpretty
I do want to save for retirement, so I guess that means stock-market, but I don't have much confidence in my ability to choose stock.

That's what a mutual fund does: the manager of the fund chooses the stocks for you. When you buy shares in a mutual fund, you are really buying shares in two dozen or so stocks. Within that, you can find mutual funds that specialize in certain industries, like real estate, utility companies, small startups, large retailers, etc. Most people I know don't invest in very many individual stocks, unless it's something like an employee stock purchase plan at the company they work for. But then again, like tw said, if there's an idustry that you personally know very well, it may be worth it to stick to choosing your own stocks within that industry. I dabbled in videogame companies for awhile, back when I was close to the industry news and could tell when a company's upcoming release had any substance behind it or was going to flop. But I'm not up-to-date on that stuff anymore, so I don't mess with it.

lumberjim 03-28-2010 09:01 PM

where is lookout123?

monster 03-28-2010 09:31 PM

Where is Lookout123?
He's a pro, no advice free
If you want to pick good brains
Pay the dues, enjoy the gains

Cloud 03-28-2010 10:18 PM

@ Griff: Ha!

xoxoxoBruce 03-28-2010 11:23 PM

Just pop out a bunch of kids... who will be fighting each other for the privilege of taking care of you in your old age. :haha:

Happy Monkey 03-29-2010 09:42 AM

My advice is to buy a bunch of stocks about a year ago.

Nirvana 03-29-2010 10:33 AM

I have never invested in stock except thru a life insurance annuity. All my money went into farm ground. It was the only thing that gained in value in the recent years.

squirell nutkin 03-29-2010 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 643971)
My advice is to buy a bunch of stocks about a year ago.

Hahahhaha!

Spexxvet 03-29-2010 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by morethanpretty (Post 643737)

Yeah. His name rhymes with wiener. He sounds like a dick. :p:

kerosene 03-29-2010 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Nirvana (Post 643975)
I have never invested in stock except thru a life insurance annuity. All my money went into farm ground. It was the only thing that gained in value in the recent years.

Good idea.


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