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dave 08-27-2002 12:36 AM

No offense Jag, but you're deliberately taking one argument and twisting it into another. For all the time you spend bitching about how Maggie does this to you, you seem to do it enough yourself.

jaguar 08-27-2002 03:05 AM

Yea i know but the irony of them both having the same gun and being the same age, yet one is a poster boy and the other one is a victim of child abuse was just too much.

juju 08-27-2002 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jaguar
Yea i know but the irony of them both having the same gun and being the same age, yet one is a poster boy and the other one is a victim of child abuse was just too much.
It is pretty funny.

NateXLH1000 08-27-2002 08:12 AM

posterboy vs. abused
 
Perhaps we should just interpret the pictures as product endorsements?

also, the poor palestine kid wasn't given a magazine.

I guess it's abuse if you send a 9 year old into battle with an unloaded weapon?

NateXLH1000 08-27-2002 08:17 AM

oops!
 
Sorry, just saw its magazine now.

stupid black plastic magazines!

time to adjust gamma.

MaggieL 08-27-2002 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jaguar
Yea i know but the irony of them both having the same gun and being the same age, yet one is a poster boy and the other one is a victim of child abuse was just too much.
The difference, jag, is that one is being taught *how* to shoot, while the other is being indoctrinated in *who* to shoot. (Check out the other pic of the kids shooting at a toy town flying Israeli flags.) I doubt the camo kid has baby pix with explosives strapped to his waist.

Double T 08-27-2002 11:37 AM

In support of MaggieL's statement, a little known fact about the fighting going on in the Middle East is that 70% of the Al-Qaida fighters in Afghanistan were under the age of 18. Where do I get this information from? Im enlisted into the United States Navy part of the Rosevelt fleet. Onboard we had Marines who recalled skirmishes in which numerious teenagers fired live rounds with intent to do harm (meaning aimed at the Marines).

jaguar 08-27-2002 04:41 PM

Who's the other one aiming at then? Its not exactly something you'd use for deer hunting. I'm sure they taught him how to shoot too, they wouldn't give such an expensive weapon to a kid without training afterall.

BrianR 08-27-2002 04:51 PM

Welcome Double T
 
I'm also a Navy man...recently retired and wishing I weren't.

I was Tin Can Navy though.

Brian

warch 08-27-2002 05:22 PM

Quote:

Perhaps we should just interpret the pictures as product endorsements?
We do. I'm guessing that's is why the Palestinian media machine (?!) has nixed the marketing campaign. Selling the young warrior-martyr to all sides needs a new, fresh spin. Less, how shall we say,...aggressor...Lets see..

Nic Name 08-27-2002 07:08 PM

The Israeli media machine thinks it is a good idea to use these images, though.

Palestinian Children Call Iraq to Attack Israel

http://www.idf.il/newsite/english/kids.stm

MaggieL 08-27-2002 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jaguar
Who's the other one aiming at then?
I would imagine he's aiming at a paper target, that being what people who are training usually shoot at. Unless they're martyrs-in-training, in which case the targets are a bit more...shall we say "representational"? As we see in the other photo?
Quote:


I'm sure they taught him how to shoot too, they wouldn't give such an expensive weapon to a kid without training afterall.

He surely hasn't had what I would consider *good* training; his finger's on the trigger without him being set up on a target.

Not to worry, if he accidently blows away one of his friends, instant martyr, and they'll say an Israeli soldier did it. When you get them by stealing them from the Israelis, M-16's aren't all that expensive. Most of his buddies do seem to have AK-47s, though. Maybe after the photo he had to give it back.

Undertoad 08-27-2002 07:40 PM

They didn't have to steal the F-16s. The US provided them as a part of Oslo, to establish a Palestinian security force.

Nic Name 08-27-2002 07:48 PM

F-16
 
http://www.ugamedia.com/cd/f16.jpg

Undertoad 08-27-2002 09:11 PM

M, F, what's the difference.


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