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How do you provide "affordable health care" to the 600,000 workers just laid off last month? COBRA? How do they pay for that?

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 533146)

Provide universal health care
"I have made a solemn pledge that I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family's premium by up to $2,500 a year."—6/23/07, Hartford, Conn.

He's promised to sign it... if congress brings it.

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Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama, seeking support from labor union members in New Jersey, vowed Monday to make health insurance available to all Americans by the end of his first term in the White House.

''We can have universal health care by the end of the next president's first term, by the end of my first term,'' Obama said, bringing 600 union workers to their feet during a question-and-answer session with members of AFL-CIO affiliated unions.

I don't see the word "free" anywhere in there.
Massachusetts has passed their own version of universal health care already. My brother, who is self employed, has health insurance he's paying close to $500 a month for. The state has informed him his insurance is unacceptable because it has no prescription coverage.

If it were free, big business, who have been bitching loudly about health care costs for their employees, would be on it like white on rice... they are not.

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 533152)

How do you provide "affordable health care" to the 600,000 workers just laid off last month? COBRA? How do they pay for that?

That is absolutely a challenge and why we need a comprehensive economic recovery plan so those folks can return to the workforce which most would like to do....along with reform of employer-based health care coverage which is part of Obama's health care agenda.

The fact remains that Obama has never pledged free health care for all...or government run health care for all.

In the interim, at the very least, the children of those workers can be covered through the expanded SCHIP program that Obama signed last week (that Bush vetoed twice)

And those children will be covered ONLy until the parents are able to get back in the workforce.

Obama promises universal health care, he says it over and over.

But never once does he say FREE. :p

Nothing is free, ass, grass, cash.

You are right. Everyone with a job will pay for it for the rest of the sods.

OBAMA and health care:

Universal Coverage
Zero fines & no mandate for small business. (Oct 2008)
Reduce premiums and uninsured get same coverage as Congress. (Oct 2008)
No exclusions for pre-existing conditions. (Oct 2008)
Ban insurance companies from discriminating against the sick. (Aug 2008)
I’ve got a health plan and a plan to get it implemented. (Jun 2008)
AdWatch: My plan costs $2,500 less per family than Clinton’s. (Apr 2008)
FactCheck: Unclear if Obama’s plan costs less than Clinton’s. (Apr 2008)
Universal health care means anyone who wants it can get it. (Feb 2008)
Insurers are happy to have a mandate; issue is affordability. (Feb 2008)
Voluntary universal participation, like in Medicare Part B. (Feb 2008)
Mandating kids’ insurance ok; mandating adults has problems. (Feb 2008)
Young adults up to age 25 can be covered under parents’ plan. (Feb 2008)
My plan does more than anybody to reduce costs. (Feb 2008)
My health plan does not leave 15 million people uncovered. (Feb 2008)
Adults will get health care as they can afford it. (Feb 2008)
AdWatch: punishing uninsured families doesn’t make sense. (Feb 2008)
FactCheck: Hillary’s plan does mandate; but so does Obama’s. (Feb 2008)
No one turned away due to illness or pre-existing condition. (Feb 2008)
Buy private insurance via National Health Insurance Exchange. (Feb 2008)
Against enforcement mechanism for mandating insurance. (Jan 2008)
FactCheck: Yes, Obama favored single-payer, despite denial. (Jan 2008)
FactCheck: No, US costs are not twice as much as others. (Jan 2008)
AdWatch: Pressure insurance & drug companies to change. (Jan 2008)
FactCheck: OPPORTUNITY to insure all, but no GUARANTEE. (Jan 2008)
AdWatch: Don’t make it illegal not to have health care. (Jan 2008)
Being poor in this country is hazardous to your health. (Dec 2007)
Problem isn’t mandating coverage, but affording it. (Nov 2007)
FactCheck: Coverage plan might leave 8.5 million uninsured. (Nov 2007)
Cautious incremental plan offers choice & subsidy. (Nov 2007)
Added 20,000 children to Illinois healthcare. (Oct 2007)
Government healthcare like members of Congress have. (Sep 2007)
Increase competition in the insurance and drug markets. (Aug 2007)
National Health Insurance Exchange for private coverage. (Aug 2007)
Health plan cuts typical family’s premium by $2,500 a year. (Jun 2007)
Give people the choice to buy affordable health care. (Jun 2007)
National insurance pool & catastrophic insurance. (Apr 2007)
Employers are going to have to pay or play. (Mar 2007)
Need political will to accomplish universal coverage. (Mar 2007)
Universal health care by of first term. (Feb 2007)
Healthcare system is broken without lifetime employment. (Oct 2006)
The market alone can’t solve our health-care woes. (Oct 2006)
Focus on the affordability of a broad healthcare plan. (Jan 2006)
Crises happen in our lives and healthcare is necessary. (Oct 2004)
Believes health care is a right, not a privilege for the few. (Sep 2004)
Will expand health coverage & allow meds to be re-imported. (May 2004)
Ensure access to basic care. (Jul 1998)

Universal Coverage
Zero fines & no mandate for small business. (Oct 2008)
Reduce premiums and uninsured get same coverage as Congress. (Oct 2008)
No exclusions for pre-existing conditions. (Oct 2008)
Ban insurance companies from discriminating against the sick. (Aug 2008)
I’ve got a health plan and a plan to get it implemented. (Jun 2008)
AdWatch: My plan costs $2,500 less per family than Clinton’s. (Apr 2008)
FactCheck: Unclear if Obama’s plan costs less than Clinton’s. (Apr 2008)
Universal health care means anyone who wants it can get it. (Feb 2008)
Insurers are happy to have a mandate; issue is affordability. (Feb 2008)
Voluntary universal participation, like in Medicare Part B. (Feb 2008)
Mandating kids’ insurance ok; mandating adults has problems. (Feb 2008)
Young adults up to age 25 can be covered under parents’ plan. (Feb 2008)
My plan does more than anybody to reduce costs. (Feb 2008)
My health plan does not leave 15 million people uncovered. (Feb 2008)
Adults will get health care as they can afford it. (Feb 2008)
AdWatch: punishing uninsured families doesn’t make sense. (Feb 2008)
FactCheck: Hillary’s plan does mandate; but so does Obama’s. (Feb 2008)
No one turned away due to illness or pre-existing condition. (Feb 2008)
Buy private insurance via National Health Insurance Exchange. (Feb 2008)
Against enforcement mechanism for mandating insurance. (Jan 2008)
FactCheck: Yes, Obama favored single-payer, despite denial. (Jan 2008)
FactCheck: No, US costs are not twice as much as others. (Jan 2008)
AdWatch: Pressure insurance & drug companies to change. (Jan 2008)
FactCheck: OPPORTUNITY to insure all, but no GUARANTEE. (Jan 2008)
AdWatch: Don’t make it illegal not to have health care. (Jan 2008)
Being poor in this country is hazardous to your health. (Dec 2007)
Problem isn’t mandating coverage, but affording it. (Nov 2007)
FactCheck: Coverage plan might leave 8.5 million uninsured. (Nov 2007)
Cautious incremental plan offers choice & subsidy. (Nov 2007)
Added 20,000 children to Illinois healthcare. (Oct 2007)
Government healthcare like members of Congress have. (Sep 2007)
Increase competition in the insurance and drug markets. (Aug 2007)
National Health Insurance Exchange for private coverage. (Aug 2007)
Health plan cuts typical family’s premium by $2,500 a year. (Jun 2007)
Give people the choice to buy affordable health care. (Jun 2007)
National insurance pool & catastrophic insurance. (Apr 2007)
Employers are going to have to pay or play. (Mar 2007)
Need political will to accomplish universal coverage. (Mar 2007)
Universal health care by of first term. (Feb 2007)
Healthcare system is broken without lifetime employment. (Oct 2006)
The market alone can’t solve our health-care woes. (Oct 2006)
Focus on the affordability of a broad healthcare plan. (Jan 2006)
Crises happen in our lives and healthcare is necessary. (Oct 2004)
Believes health care is a right, not a privilege for the few. (Sep 2004)
Will expand health coverage & allow meds to be re-imported. (May 2004)
Ensure access to basic care. (Jul 1998)

:zzz: Somebody say free? No? Then just rant and rave then hold your breath till you turn blue. Ain't gonna change a thing. :zzz:

Where in this quote do you see that the individual or employer provides for the health care of the individual?

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"I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its Gross National Product on health care, cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody."

No where. So what is the message that the electorate heard? What are patients telling me every day? I will tell you. Obama and the gooberment is going to give them free health care, ala the UK or Canada, or France, etc.

Get over it guys. This is exactly the message that Obamy sent to get elected.

Where's the beef?

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 533172)

:zzz: Somebody say free? No? Then just rant and rave then hold your breath till you turn blue. Ain't gonna change a thing. :zzz:

Not trying to "change a thing", but I will call attention to the failures and lies that got him elected and rub it in the faces of those who view him as their savior. Rock on.

Say as you will dude. If you believe that the people were lied to.

Where in the stimulus package is there stimulus for health care providers to actually provide the care? Nada.

screw you! I ruined my health under W!

Hmmmmmm....

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Why is Obama declaring illegal aliens will in fact get free medical insurance?
DEMOCRATS' single most important domes tic proposal - universal health insurance - may blow up in Barack Obama's face when voters are exposed to the deadly details.

Obama has said, proudly and often, "I am going to give health insurance to 47 million Americans who are now without coverage." But are they "Americans?"

That 47 million statistic includes illegal immigrants - who virtually all lack insurance. In fact, about one in four of those lacking insurance is here illegally. And they are, by far, the group most in need of health insurance.

About 15 million of the remaining uninsured are eligible for Medicaid but haven't signed up - mainly because they haven't gotten sick. When they do, they enroll in Medicaid and we pick up the full tab for their health care relatively cheaply. (About 80 percent of each Medicaid dollar goes to nursing-home care for the elderly, only about 20 percent for the medical needs of the poor.)

The rest of the uninsured pool? Virtually all the children are eligible for the State Children's Health Insurance Program. Some aren't enrolled because the parents haven't bothered, but most are eligible. That leaves about 20 million uninsured adults who are US citizens or legal immigrants. There are far better ways to handle their needs than to turn our entire health-care system upside down.

Care for illegals is the biggest unmet medical need in our nation, and Obama's program targets it squarely. But do we really want to give them federally paid coverage equal to what US senators get, as Obama proposes?

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Originally Posted by Brianna (Post 533178)

screw you! I ruined my health under W!

again, I say.