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TheMercenary 01-31-2009 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 528878)
This kind of crap seriously pisses me off. There are too many damn people on the planet as it is, and this woman pops out EIGHT BABIES, when she already has SIX KIDS? What kind of doctor would give fertility treatment to someone who already has SIX KIDS? :mad2:

I'm sorry, but some people should just be shot. That kind of thinking needs to be taken out of the food chain. We are not dogs and cats having puppies and kittens. The doctor who gave her fertility treatments should also be shot.
On top of that she was already in some kind of financial trouble. Now she can multiply that times 8.

Clodfobble 01-31-2009 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by DanaC
Doesn't somebody have a duty to do a background check before going ahead with a procedure like that?
Meh... it's not illegal to have a stupid number of children. (It'll probably even get you your own television show.) But seriously, would you have been okay with it if she happened to end up with only one or two babies from the procedure, for a total of 7-8 kids? That many kids used to be relatively common, even. They strongly advised her to reduce (i.e. abort some of them) after they found out how many were gestating. She chose not to. You can't force an abortion on someone.

Clodfobble 01-31-2009 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by TheMercenary
On top of that she was already in some kind of financial trouble.
Where did you read that?

TheMercenary 01-31-2009 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 528942)
Where did you read that?
It was on the TV last night. I will look around.

TheMercenary 01-31-2009 11:33 AM
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Court records show Angela Suleman filed for bankruptcy last March, but after she failed to make required payments and appear at a creditors' meeting, the case was dismissed. She reported liabilities of $981,371, mostly money owed on two houses she owns in Whittier.

The births were a hot topic of conversation on the Internet, with many people incredulous that a woman with six children would try to have more — and that a doctor would help her do so. Some criticized the doctor and suggested that the mother would be overwhelmed trying to raise her brood and would end up relying on public support.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...fzBIQD961UN600

sugarpop 01-31-2009 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 528940)
Meh... it's not illegal to have a stupid number of children. (It'll probably even get you your own television show.) But seriously, would you have been okay with it if she happened to end up with only one or two babies from the procedure, for a total of 7-8 kids? That many kids used to be relatively common, even. They strongly advised her to reduce (i.e. abort some of them) after they found out how many were gestating. She chose not to. You can't force an abortion on someone.
I wouldn't. We have got to put a curb on birth rates. The planet simply cannot continue supporting the population that is here now, much less the rate of growth. Do you realize the population has doubled since Kennedy was president?

TheMercenary 01-31-2009 11:37 AM
We need a good metorite strike. Clean things up a little.

Shawnee123 01-31-2009 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 528940)
Meh... it's not illegal to have a stupid number of children. (It'll probably even get you your own television show.) But seriously, would you have been okay with it if she happened to end up with only one or two babies from the procedure, for a total of 7-8 kids? That many kids used to be relatively common, even. They strongly advised her to reduce (i.e. abort some of them) after they found out how many were gestating. She chose not to. You can't force an abortion on someone.
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In certain European countries, particularly Italy and Germany, the limit on the number of embryos allowed to be implanted at once is three, said Robert George, professor at Princeton University and member of the U.S. President's Council on Bioethics. George advocated following those countries' examples so that similar situations don't arise and put the lives of mother and fetuses at risk.
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"If she went to a fertility clinic, there's wide consensus from every single ethicist and fertility specialist that this was irresponsible and unethical to implant that many embryos," said M. Sara Rosenthal, bioethicist at the University of Kentucky's College of Medicine. "This is an outrageous situation that should not happen."
CNN article

Sundae 01-31-2009 12:06 PM
I would also suggest that one at a time would allow you to take stock. At the very least because you'll have to find the time to go and and find someone to knock you up, while leaving the first seven at home.

You might find both your body and your common sense (wass that?) kick in after the eighth or ninth. Before the 14th at least.

classicman 01-31-2009 12:08 PM
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Court records show Angela Suleman filed for bankruptcy last March, but after she failed to make required payments and appear at a creditors' meeting, the case was dismissed. She reported liabilities of $981,371, mostly money owed on two houses she owns in Whittier.
These kids which will bring notoriety and "financial assistance" certainly sounds like a crazy plan to get out. Hell she'll be featured on shows like Oprah and they'll pay for all kinds of stuff for her. Instead of helping those who REALLY need our (taxpayers) help we'll instead waste money on people like her.
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Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 528951)
We have got to put a curb on birth rates. The planet simply cannot continue supporting the population that is here now, much less the rate of growth.
Well said.

Shawnee123 01-31-2009 12:08 PM
And the kids get these kinds of things:

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Doctors say that giving birth to extreme multiples comes with tremendous risks for both the mother and the babies. Risks for the children include bleeding in the brain, intestinal problems, developmental delays and lifelong learning disabilities.
Selfish. Very selfish.

piercehawkeye45 01-31-2009 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 528951)
I wouldn't. We have got to put a curb on birth rates. The planet simply cannot continue supporting the population that is here now, much less the rate of growth. Do you realize the population has doubled since Kennedy was president?
Population growth is hard to curb and a full out attempt will most likely cause a backlash just as great as the original problem. Not to mention that we are going into the world of telling how many babies a person can have.

Though, I do believe we should work on curbing population growth, but we have to be smart and rational about it. Another large part of this is that we need to become much more efficient with food, water, and energy. We need to start investing massive amounts into those sectors (engineering in general) if we want to avoid major problems in the future.

Shawnee123 01-31-2009 12:54 PM
The plot sickens:

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Yolanda Garcia, 49, of Whittier, said she helped care for Nadya Suleman's autistic son three years ago.

"From what I could tell back then, she was pretty happy with herself, saying she liked having kids and she wanted 12 kids in all," Garcia told the Long Beach Press-Telegram.

"She told me that all of her kids were through in vitro, and I said 'Gosh, how can you afford that and go to school at the same time?"' she added. "And she said it's because she got paid for it."

Garcia said she did not ask for details.
This is, of course, all hearsay.

(Grand)Mom didn't support the idea either.

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She said she warned her daughter that when she gets home from the hospital, "I'm going to be gone."
Article here.

Cloud 01-31-2009 12:58 PM
bizarre

classicman 01-31-2009 01:14 PM
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"It would be extremely unusual, very strange and hard to believe that somebody who is a professional would put that many embryos into a woman who is 33 years old who has children," Slayden said.
Seems unconscionable to me.

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The nanny who works with the octuplets' siblings said Friday that the woman "adores her babies" and is "a perfect mom."
"a perfect mom."?? By what definition???


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