The Cellar - Dec 12, 2008: Sharks!

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Aussie sharks are also poisonous/venomous aren't they? Probably, hell, they have trees that can kill you fifty feet...

Seriously, you guys just don't seem to realize how scared we are of being eaten by a bear in the US or Canada and yet it's just a part of life if you live in an area where bears live. There isn't really anything much we're afraid of in the UK though. They only have wussy animals there don't they? ;)

It's what you're used to I guess.

Pretty much everyone that goes to Frazer knows you don't swim on the ocean side of the island because there are lots of sharks, particularly during fishing season when the Tailor are biting which is when more people are in the water.

In my memory and Dazza's, no one has ever been taken by a shark on Frazer and yet fishermen/women stand in the water up to their waist in waders to cast out beyond the break.

At least you don't have to worry about the sharks knocking over your garbage cans, or climbing into your car because you left half a donut under the front seat.

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Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus (Post 513178)

half a donut under the front seat.

That was me.

Sorry.

Mmmmm. Donuts.

I've been to Frazer Island and yes, there were shark reports on the seaward side.
I had a great time, hitch-hiking and sleeping rough in the campsites or behind dunes (no tent, just a sleeping bag and groundsheet wrapped over).
About a year later a 12 year old boy was killed by dingoes in broad daylight at a campsite where I stayed. :eek:

Wow. I thought they only ate babies.

Perhaps he was glazed with a jelly filling?
Nope, damn, that was the donut wasn't it.

We have dangerous birds over here. Just go to any town centre on a weekend at closing time...

There have been a lot of problems with dingos on Frazer island. I'd say there's been one or two attacks per tourist season every year for the last 5 - 10 years.

They're getting too 'friendly' with people and coming into campsites because they're just not as shy as they naturally would be with regard to humans. Obviously this is because Frazer is becoming so much more accessible and therefor there's so many people there all the time.

They've even built a 'dingo fence' around one of the residential areas which it seems a lot of the locals weren't happy about, but on the other hand, it's always the squeaky wheel you hear.

Dingos on Frazer are among the purest in Australia, and yet some people are calling for their extermination or relocation.

I think people should be more sensible about securing their food and rubbish and STOP FEEDING them.

Righto, long time lurker, first time poster.

Couldn't bear to watch someone burble on about the intricacies of Fraser Island's ecosystem who can't even spell it correctly!

S, not Z. Fraser.

Cheers

jackzon2, it's an inzide joke. I guezz you didn't get it.

And, welcome to the Cellar.

It is? Since when?:confused:

I was just copying Ali, after the 1776 incident I didn't want to undermine her confidence. :)

Hi Jackson! Where ya from?

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 513424)

It is? Since when?:confused:

You're such a joker, xoB.

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 513170)

Aussie sharks are also poisonous/venomous aren't they? Probably, hell, they have trees that can kill you fifty feet...

You thought you were joking, right?

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....[T]here are six species of stinging tree in Australia, but only two of them are the tall woody types - the other four are lowish shrubs......

SNIP

Even though they don't hunt in packs, these stinging trees are pretty vicious. The sting is delivered through tiny silicon hairs that cover the leaves and the fruit of the plant. You can think of the silicon hairs as tiny fibres of non-transparent glass. Dr. Hurley found that the only way she could handle the leaves safely without getting stung, was to wear incredibly thick and bulky welding gloves. These silicon hairs penetrate your skin, and then break off. They're so tiny, that often the skin will close over the hairs. So sometimes, once you've been stung, you can't remove the stinging hairs.

The silicon hairs cause pain, because they carry a neurotoxin. One scientist, Oelrichs, purified the poison and injected himself with it and suffered intense pain. He proved that the toxin, not the silicon hairs, caused the pain. If you have stabbed yourself with the hairs, you can release the neurotoxin from the hairs by heating or cooling your skin, or just touching it. This neurotoxin is very stable. Experiments have been done with hairs that were collected nearly a century ago, and they can still cause pain.

The reaction depends on what species of animal gets stung, and how many hairs get stuck in the skin. But we humans feel something between mild irritation and intense pain and death. The pain comes immediately after touching the plant, and it gradually increases to a peak after about 20-30 minutes. The Dutch Botanist H. J. Winkler made the only official recording of Death By Stinging Tree, for a human. It was in New Guinea, back in the early 1920s. There have been other anecdotal stories from soldiers in WW II suffering intense pain, and of an officer shooting himself because of the unrelenting pain - but these are just word-of-mouth.

But you can suffer even if you don't touch the plant. The plants continuously shed their stinging hairs. Stay close to the stinging trees for more than an hour, and you can get an allergic reaction - intensely painful and continuous bouts of sneezing. You can even get nose bleeds from these silicon hairs floating in the air. But Dr. Hurley found that if she wore filter masks, which she replaced regularly, she could work near the plants for a few hours at a time.

SNIP

So what's the best way to get the hairs out of you, once you've accidentally got stuck on a stinging tree. Don't even think about rubbing the affected area with the sap of nearby trees, or the ground-up roots of the tree that stung you. No, it was a student from James Cook University in Cairns who discovered the best way - you can remove these hairs with a hair-removal wax strip. In fact this is now the official recommendation in a Queensland ambulance journal.

And that doesn't take into account giant gum trees that drop huge branches on people underneath.