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tw 10-20-2008 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 495557)
Then he is definitely not a trustworthy person to listen to for an endorsement.

Powell did what any good soldier would have done in his position. He committed to making that speech regardless of what the facts were - as defined by the dinner with George Jr, Laura, and Condi Rice. Powell had no choice. Powell is not under orders to endorse Obama.

tw 10-20-2008 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 495626)
Here ya go Sarge

Of the thousands of retired admirals and generals, he could only get 300 endorsements?

Curiously missing on that list are a long list of Generals who have served in "Mission Accomplished" and then retired.

Big Sarge 10-20-2008 07:18 PM

Thank you for the link. That is quite an impressive list. I just wish Hal Moore's name was on it

Undertoad 10-20-2008 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 495659)
Powell did what any good soldier would have done in his position. He committed to making that speech regardless of what the facts were -

Then he is definitely not a trustworthy person to listen to for an endorsement.

Elspode 10-20-2008 09:39 PM

Retired General and former Secretary of State Colin Powell is obviously a freedom hating terrorist.

tw 10-21-2008 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Sarge (Post 495718)
Thank you for the link. That is quite an impressive list.

Impressive? Just about every American military commander that has done anything of significance is not on McCain's list. Collected a list of every military commander I could find that served and were significant in "Mission Accomplished", Desert Storm, Operation Provide Comfort, Iraq Study Group, 911 Commission, Joint Chiefs, Katrina, and just about anything else of significance in the past decade. Not one General or Admiral is on McCain's support list. These are Generals and Admirals that actually led units into combat, were fully involved in responding to 11 September, were involved in the many analysis groups including the Iraq Study Group or Duelfer Report, or had some other major decisions or actions that resulted in major news events. IOW if the commander did something of significance, he is probably listed below:
Abizaid, Hawkins, Warden, Gardner, Kimmons, Batiste, Casey, Sharp, Schwartz, Myers, Jones (James), Nash, Franks (neither Generals Fred nor Tommy), Pace, Miller, Honore, McKiernan, Hooker, Zinni, Kellogg, Newbold, Shinseki, Sanchez, Eikenberry, Fast, Swannack, Jumper, Dempsey, Karpinski, Chiarelli, Marks, Clark (Adm Vern), Shelton, Dayton, Fry (Scott), Hayden, Wald, Giambastiani, Conway, Peterson, Zilmer, Scowcroft, Keane, Schultz, Ralston, Ellis (Adm Jim), Sullivan, Taguba, Kern, Hill (Gen Paul), Arnold, Eberhart, Wherley, Canavan, Schoomaker, Boykin, Gration, Minihan, McKinley, Steele, Jeremiah, Leidig, Abbot, Wilson, Schwarzkopf, Johnson (Gen Robert B), Waller, Dugan, Grogan, McPeak, McConnell, Wickham, Meyer, Horner, Glosson, Arthur, Boomer, Yeosock, Schwarz, Gabriel, Olsen, Pagonis, Hoar, Shalikashvili, Saint, Crowe, Gray, and Fallon.

Not a single commander is on McCain's list of supporters.

Undertoad 10-21-2008 08:20 AM

Karpinski?? Nobody wants that endorsement.

Here is a list of Obama's military supporters but it sure looks like they didn't do anything meaningful either, only one of them is on your list:

lookout123 10-21-2008 03:51 PM

I've always felt that retired flag rank officers that make endorsements are just attention seeking whores.

And for the record, having Merrill McPeak endorse a candidate should actually remove credibility points.


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