As everyone knows, and some try and believe, in the face of the evidence, that someone else doesn't. This I cite as an example of what's wrong with some people's thinking. I don't get much reasoned counterargument.

The legitimacy of going into Iraq based on the evidence presented has more to do with the problems we face than any loose connection between 9/11 and the invasion itself.

So the other chaps are the same other chaps that we all know did it. This is where your magical thinking begins to trump reality. Instead of fighting a war against the actual groups who attacked us on our home soil, your guy started a regional conflict expecting Switzerland to automatically develop. Naturally this also ignores the US's previous role supporting all manner of dictator, which gives us little credibility in the region. Now that our affection for the Paki dictatorship is coming to fruition, do you begin to see that the world is more complex than your guy believes?

My biggest problem with your belief system is the same that I have with Radar's present course. Both excuse violence against innocents in the name of a big idea for humanity. Radar is at least in a total fantasy land but your people are stone cold killers the same as any piker commie back in the 60's.

When the Merc is talking you down, Urbane, give it up.

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I'd be concerned if Merc actually were talking me down. He's pointing out another angle to the overall strategy for the WoT: we do have to take a global approach, an international approach, to sever a connection between these empowered angry men who become terrorists and nations that provide them sanctuary, support, and a base of operations. Nations can't hide; we can work on nations, so we do. What else would anyone do? How do we attain to intelligence sufficiently accurate and timely to localize and then hit those empowered angry men who are the central targets -- though by no means the only ones?

Deadbeater, you among others want me to "give it up." People in hell want ice water too. I am opposed by people whose ideology makes them say stupid things. Mine does not. I suggest adopting something more like mine; there's plenty of room on the right side of history.