Ruminator - the immaculate conception actually refers to Mary.
She was conceived without sin - born without original sin to enable her to be a pure vessel for carrying Jesus.

Mary would win simply because she is a Jewish Mother. She can smack the bejesus out of him according to the bible (spare the rod and spoil the child) and he can't do a thing about it thanks to the 4th Commandment.

BigV is correct in that the Church is the bride of Christ.....kind of.....I think it's in Ephesians. But, it really began to gain a kind of currency during the Middle-ages when it was basically utilised by the Papacy as a tool in its political and religious supremacy.

Mary, despite being the mother of Christ, is also shown in much medieval artwork as the Queen of Heaven, sat enthroned at his side. This is the role of a consort.

Thanks Sundae, I meant to say Jesus' virginal conceptional. ;)

- Rumi

Jesus of course....
Even if she did kick his ass he would just keep coming back, she could win the battle, but not the war.....She could probably kill him but he would just get right back up anyway.....Not such a great victory.

What's better than that? You are a sick person Shawnee! I love it!
:D

Hey Cicero! Where ARE you?

Hope lightning didn't strike you down. Jeeeezussss, it was just a joke! :p

Didn't they make a movie with Charlton Heston as Moses? Its not the entire book, but its a start. I'd like to see a movie of all those "begats." The Bible as porn. Heh-heh!

Chuck Norris would have kicked Jesus' ass. I think Chuck would be too much of a gentleman to kick Mary's. So Mary might win by default.

PS This is my 100th post. It only took me a year. Guess I need to start spamming all the discussions, so my post rate will go up. ;)

Happy 100, SamIam!

Rumi---you don't happen to go to Walsh, do you? :angel:

Mary is mother of Jesus AND Mary Magdelene was his wifey.

Has NO ONE read the Da Vinci Code? Sheesh! Bunch of Philistines!

Heh heh, Brianna, no I don't. But I can drive to Walsh from my house in about 5-6 minutes. :D You know some people there?

I exect that many have read the novel of the Da Vinci Code. But its a story about an old fable.
I have a few books on the subject. I studied the subject twenty some years ago. It was interesting, but it doesn't hold water.

I was only joking about the Da Vinci Code, rumi. I've got a weird sense of funny.

I actually DO know someone at Walsh! PM me and I'll tell you who!

Celebrity Death Match! Let's Get It On!

Lets see, Mary, even with an Immaculate Conception was 100% a human being.
And Jesus was 100% a human being- plus he was also divine- God incarnate.
There is no contest possible- the very Creator of All, against a creation of His?
The comparison might as well be you or I against Jesus, ie.... God, our Creator. :p :D

I wholeheartedly agree. A Jewish mother, I would not want to tangle with. But Barbra Streisand? She'd be like buttah.

Virgin Mary on a grape.
Apparently.