there are, but they don't want to, so that's cool

I guess cancer it is. It sucks. I have to go for another biopsy monday. Ouch!

Cancer keeps a lot of people employed.

I'm anti baby-torture. Anyone else with me?

I hate mosquitoes. There are plenty of other bugs for bats and fish to eat, so I would support an eradication of every mosquito on the planet. Who's with me?

With Smoothmoniker
Against Glatt - if there's one thing we should have learned in the 20th century it's that messing with ecology will have unforeseen effects. Ask the Australians [cough, Cane Toad, cough]

Define "baby." At what age does the torture become OK?

If they cry when you torture them, then they're just a big baby.

I would classify any child under a year as a baby.
Despite the fact that they may already be toddling by the time they are a year old, that's my cut-off point.

I'm pretty much anti-torture across the board, as I think it appeals to the bestial in man and rarely if ever yields valuable information. But I don't expect to get universal agreement in that.

define torture. is it ok to spank? swat? waterboard?

Babies are best to torture because they won't retain memories of it. They may be traumatized somehow but they won't have to ruminate about why.

To me tickling is torture, but I don't think you'd get everyone to agree to ban it.

Yes, but what is it's speed on a treadmill when taking off from a floating start?

are you kidding? that's the only type of torture the French support.

A few definitions, to help clarify:

Baby = zero to 12 months
Torture = to inflict pain for the purpose of inflicting pain (we're not talking doctor's shots or parental discipline here)

Now can we get consensus?