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DanaC 07-06-2008 06:37 PM

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People make assumptions, that is, they make up the bits they don't know about people to fill in the blanks, in a virtual world.
Hmm. Not sure that's peculiar to virtual worlds, Ali. People fill in blanks and make assumption, because that's what we do....we search for patterns and meaning in what we experience, real or virtual.

Sundae 07-06-2008 06:38 PM

My cat's name is Mittens.

Aliantha 07-06-2008 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 467194)
Hmm. Not sure that's peculiar to virtual worlds, Ali. People fill in blanks and make assumption, because that's what we do....we search for patterns and meaning in what we experience, real or virtual.

Of course we do. It's all a part of creating meaning. I think it's more prevalent on the internet though, and if it happens to be a virtual world of our own making, well then of course everything is made up.

In a real world relationship between two people, we can observe the way they carry themselves, how they look when they speak. We can see the body language attached to certain statements and know if they're serious or not (largely). We can see how they react to their surroundings. We can hear tone of voice etc. Of course, all these observations are then processed through the filters we've developed due to our own prior experience, but we still then are able to make a better assumption based on our own understanding rather than the grossely wrong ones we are more prone to in a virtual environment.

monster 07-06-2008 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 467149)
You know for a moment there, I banned him. But what I decided to do is one better: I turned on instant thread notification for him.

A copy of all messages added to his threads will be sent to his Hotmail account, immediately as they're posted.

This one will be the first. You post unsolicited messages? You gottem right back buddy!

well now i feel compelled to reply

monster 07-06-2008 09:19 PM

more than once, in fact

lumberjim 07-06-2008 09:21 PM

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jinx 07-06-2008 09:21 PM

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monster 07-06-2008 09:26 PM

Hey, dude, I got your answer about the virtual world vs real world right here (old dwellars need not follow the link, especially at work, all y'all have seen this almost poetic rhetoric before....)

Troubleshooter 07-06-2008 09:47 PM

All things are virtual as they cannot be directly perceived by sapience.

Flint 07-06-2008 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by coberst (Post 467142)
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Questions for discussion

Is there a vital difference between human sciences (such as psychology) and natural sciences (such as physics)?
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Yes, the difference is that human sciences are a subset of natural sciences--
unless one allows that human sciences follow a separate "magical" set of rules.

skysidhe 07-07-2008 12:43 AM

Isn't question #1 the same as question #2? I think so.

What does Frued got to do with your questions? Except to say that the only time ole siggy got into the physical world was when he noticed phallic shaped objects otherwise he was too much into his head trying to dictate and disect the virtual world of others.

xoxoxoBruce 07-07-2008 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by regular.joe (Post 467161)
Will anything posted by Coberst help me to survive on the battlefield?

Isn't the military a virtual world?

By the way, freud was full of shit.

coberst 07-07-2008 05:11 AM

I would say the difference between a virtual world and the real world is that the real world is grounded in literal experience whereas the virtual world is not grounded.

SGCS (Second Generation Cognitive Science) informs me that we have literal experiences that become sources for abstract ideas or part of other literal experiences.

The conceptual structure of a literal experience is mapped into another mental space to become part of another concept. For example: the experience of warmth resulting from being held by the mother is a literal experience that can be later mapped onto a subjective concept of affection. This means that the subjective concept then contains some or all of the conceptual structure of the literal experience of warmth. That is why almost everyone senses a feeling of warmth when feeling affection for someone.

xoxoxoBruce 07-07-2008 06:55 AM

Gee, all this time I thought that warmth was from rapid heartbeat, and subsequent blood pressure increase, causing increased blood flow through the smaller capillaries near the surface of the skin, where the nerve endings sense the increase in skin temperature. Silly me. :rolleyes:

Undertoad 07-07-2008 07:06 AM

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This means that the subjective concept then contains some or all of the conceptual structure of the literal experience of warmth. That is why almost everyone senses a feeling of warmth when feeling affection for someone.
I'm pretty sure this was a Lionel Richie song in the late 80s.


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