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Thats too bad - I thought he was coming around too. Oh well if thats what he wants then why doesn't he just not post instead of being banned - I don't get it. Unless someone else, using his address, asked for the banning. Perhaps it wasn't really him. I've had my email address "stolen."

Judging by the many "Message undeliverable" in my Junk folder the other week, I've had my email address stolen too. But I expect it was by a spambot, rather than someone out to wreak havoc in my online social life.

I'd like to think people would realise fout or five posts in that someone was using my log-in.

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Originally Posted by regular.joe (Post 467058)

Isn't there a 12 step program to help people stop going to the Cellar?

The Cellar is your 12-step program.

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Originally Posted by monster (Post 467081)

He needs an enema.

With friends like us, who needs enemas?

Eh Drax, we hardly knew ye.

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Originally Posted by lumberjim (Post 467088)

actually he left cuz we think he's a pedophile. i have proof.

Really? I smell bullshit. Because if your statement is *true*, he has committed a felony.

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Originally Posted by SCOTUS

Section 2252A(a)(3)(B) generally prohibits offers to provide and requests to obtain child pornography. It targets not the underlying material, but the collateral speech introducing such material into the child-pornography distribution network.

Cite.

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...the statute does not penalize the mens rea of the speaker, but instead criminalizes the speaker based on the mens rea of the audience. Under the statute, what matters is not the speaker’s intent, but instead the belief or speculation of his or her audience as to what the speaker seeks to sell, buy or barter.

Cite. Emphasis mine.

Child pornography is a vile crime, but I disagree with the SCOTUS' decision that I can be found guilty of a crime for which no other evidence exists, save the opinion of another person.

LJ doesn't have proof that Drax is a pedophile. He has proof that we think he's a pedophile.

I thought he had proof that Drax thinks that we think that he is a pedophile.

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 467360)

LJ doesn't have proof that Drax is a pedophile. He has proof that we think he's a pedophile.

'tchyeah. That's what I'm talking about. If you read the decision,

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Originally Posted by SCOTUS

The statute subjects to criminal punishment any person who “knowingly … advertises, promotes, distributes, or solicits … any material or purported material in a manner that reflects the belief, or that is intended to cause another to believe, that the material or purported material is, or contains - (i) an obscene visual depiction of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or (ii) a visual depiction of an actual minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct.” 18 U.S.C. § 2252(a)(3)(B)

you'll see that there doesn't need to be any actual child pornography. A person is subject to criminal prosecution merely by "causing another to believe" that such material exists.

So, the remarks made by lumberjim are a very serious allegation, indeed, they amount to a criminal accusation. This is practically indistinguishable from what I've read about witch trials.

To be fair, the SCOTUS decision I'm referring to doesn't talk about pedophilia. Only about child pornograpy.

Did anyone but you mention child porn here V? What the hell are you on about???

LJ has proof that drax thinks that "we" (Teh Cellar) think he's a pedophile, and that is likely why he left. Shawnee was closest without going over...

"What the hell am I on about???"

Yeah... I clarified that in post #26, just before post #27.

The rest of your post I'll take a pass on, thanks.

you two knock it off. if i have to pull this car over, i swear...

No, I now think that LJ has proof that Drax left because he thinks we think he's a pedophile.

Yeah, to sum up:

It's not that LJ has proof Drax is a pedophile
It's not that LJ has proof that we think Drax is a pedophile
It's not that LJ has proof that Drax thinks we think Drax is a pedophile
It's that LJ has proof that Drax left BECAUSE Drax thinks we think Drax is a pedophile.

Whoah, LJ, what's this proof?