So send the other 16 million home.

Other American industries need the rest.

It is not about hate idiot. It is about illegals who are busting our bank.

Other American Industries employ Chinese and Indians.

Yea, in China and India.

The term in the Silicon Valley is "ICs". Are they discussing Integrated Circuits? No. IC represent more than 50% of the employees now in the Silicon Valley - Indian and Chinese. But again, TheMercenary posted hate without first learning facts. That is so common among Americans who use derision to somehow blame it all on immigrants and unions and ...

TheMercenary - why do you know so much without first learning the details? Did you learn all this at the last cross burning?

tw, why are you such an Idiot? I know nothing of cross burnings. I am not from the South.

Cross your fingers and put a match to them. You might learn something.

I've always hated that term: illegal alien. It sounds dehumanising. More accurate would be 'illegal immigrant', regardless of what the legalise term might be. Their illegality does not rest in the fact that they are 'aliens', their illegality rests in the fact they have migrated without following the proper channels.

Illegal alien reduces them to their very alienness, the fact that they are foreign.

Semantics IMHO. It doesn't change the fact they are here illegally, you know, broken our laws.

Semantics are not unimportant. Words have power. The point is that 'illegal alien' reinforces their otherness rather than their illegality. It reduces them as people to 'aliens'. 'Illegal immigrant' emphasises the illegal act rather than their otherness, it focuses on what they've done rather than what they are.

It does not reduce them as people to me and I don't see them as less than human. The focus is on what they have done. Because they are people changes none of that.

Maybe it's a cultural thing. We don't use the word 'alien' here to refer to incoming foreigners.

Actually, I don't hear "illegal alien" very often...some may use it to make a point. In general, the term here seems to be "illegal immigrant."

Some guy on PhillyBlog accused people that used "illegal alien" of being racist; he's a bit of a nutter. I understand Dana's POV on it, but it's totally different than using a word like "spic."