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xoxoxoBruce 02-17-2008 11:53 AM

Yes it does.

Cloud 02-17-2008 11:58 AM

hmm. not for me. I've tried it several times, and I get the blue website not found screen

Bullitt 02-17-2008 12:28 PM

It's about a normally harmless bacteria that lives on your skin. Can get into patients' bodies during invasive surgery and attacks the immune system.

richlevy 02-17-2008 12:57 PM

I can only go by the doctrines in most religions that put health and safety above dogma.

Most religions allow medical personnel to work on the Sabbath to save lives and ease suffering.

Most religions allow adherents to disregard dietary laws or forgo fasts if such actions risk lives.

I can't believe that the core Islamic faith would have an issue with this. Orthodox Jewish women have similar restrictions and I have never heard of this as an issue.

DanaC 02-17-2008 01:09 PM

The stipulations of faith aren't that doctors can't show their arms though rich, rather the stipulation is that women can't show their arms. Times change and now women are doctors...puts a little strain on some of those tenets.

Aliantha 02-17-2008 04:04 PM

I can't imagine how a woman from a Muslim family can have been allowed to study medicine if the family is that fundamental. Srsly, can you?

deadbeater 02-17-2008 04:50 PM

This is a case where a caliph may help, rather than a Wahabbist imam, so as to guide Muslims on the right direction. In a weird way, Osama bin Laden may be right.

Flint 02-17-2008 05:56 PM

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...some students would prefer to quit the course rather than expose their arms...
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, religious fucktards.
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...and warn that it could leave trusts open to legal action...
Here's another warning: when we ship you back home, they might chop your cunt off.

jinx 02-17-2008 09:08 PM

ouch

BrianR 02-17-2008 10:15 PM

wait, doesn't surgical garb cover your arms to the wrist and surgical gloves (2 pr IIRC) cover the hands totally?

I know Muslim women can undress and bathe privately and with members of their own sex, just not around men.

Doctors usually scrub privately and dress before surgery and the patient generally doesn't see the doctor just prior to surgery due to anesthetic prep. I've been operated on twice and neither time did I actually see the doctor, I was out before he even got there.

So what's the problem? I'm missing something I guess.

Clodfobble 02-17-2008 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianR
wait, doesn't surgical garb cover your arms to the wrist and surgical gloves (2 pr IIRC) cover the hands totally?

It sounds like the old uniforms did, but it's been determined that the sleeves are worsening the spread of the diseases. Emphasis mine:

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Universities and NHS trusts fear many more will refuse to co-operate with new Department of Health guidance, introduced this month, which stipulates that all doctors must be "bare below the elbow".

DanaC 02-18-2008 04:51 AM

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Here's another warning: when we ship you back home, they might chop your cunt off.
Ship them back home? Who said they weren't British born moslems?

Flint 02-18-2008 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 432981)
Ship them back home? Who said they weren't British born moslems?

Sorry, I should have said "ship you back where you belong" ...

richlevy 02-18-2008 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 432949)
It sounds like the old uniforms did, but it's been determined that the sleeves are worsening the spread of the diseases. Emphasis mine:

So why don't they provide long surgical gloves? It seems that it would be even more hygienic to cover the bare skin with gloves.

Perry Winkle 02-18-2008 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by richlevy (Post 432993)
So why don't they provide long surgical gloves? It seems that it would be even more hygienic to cover the bare skin with gloves.

Then they'd have to go sleeveless. From my interpretation, flawed as it may be, it's keeping the clothing from contaminating the glove that is considerably important.


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