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TheMercenary 01-30-2008 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by aimeecc (Post 428363)
I don't get the Florida and Michigan thing. Their primaries don't count because they held it earlier than the democratic party approved of? So disenfranchise two entire states democratic population over a quibble on what date? Does holding it before Super Tuesday really impact the democratic primary process that much that they shouldn't count? Come on.

And that is really the rub with me. After all the finger pointing and wailing over the 2000 results in Florida and now the Dems can just toss the whole state away to punish them??? WTF?

It just proves to me that the Dems are merely the other side of the same coin, like the faces of a jester, one happy, one sad.

Sheldonrs 01-30-2008 10:14 AM

I think they should just set it up so that the candidates have to participate in a debate in every state, starting no sooner than 6 Months before the election.

TheMercenary 01-30-2008 10:21 AM

You know I have thought about that as well. Shorten the time frame of the primary, don't make it longer.

ZenGum 01-30-2008 10:25 AM

Shortening the process sounds good, but ... a debate in every state? FIFTY DEBATES??? ARE YOU MASOCHISTIC, SHELDON??????

TheMercenary 01-30-2008 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ZenGum (Post 428425)
ARE YOU MASOCHISTIC, SHELDON??????

Don't ask that... :eek:

I think he said in another thread that he switches, Top or Bottom. :D

aimeecc 01-30-2008 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Sheldonrs (Post 428416)
I think they should just set it up so that the candidates have to participate in a debate in every state, starting no sooner than 6 Months before the election.

YES! By the time the Prez election rolls around, we will have been listening to campaign speeches and bashing for a year and a half! That's too long. And too expensive for some others that may be viable election material but just don't have the funds to spend 18 months campaigning.

My states primary hasn't gone yet and I'm already tired of the election. But it is after Super Tuesday, so the field will be narrower. I also get to choose on primary day which party I vote in, so if the republican I like is already ahead, I'll vote for the democrat I like, and if the democrat I like is already ahead, I'll vote for the republican I like. Better odds of having at least one candidate I like in the general election.

So far NONE of my primary choices from previous elections made it to the general election. I hope that doesn't happen this year.

shina 01-30-2008 11:06 AM

I am really not looking forward to one more year of non-stop political analysts, name calling and the like. And it's been going on for about that long in this particular race.

Flint 01-30-2008 11:17 AM

Does I find it ironic? Well, it's like rai-ai-ain, on your wedding day...

classicman 01-30-2008 04:46 PM

Well the demoncratic field just got smaller -

Edwards just bowed out

tw 01-30-2008 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by shina (Post 428448)
And it's been going on for about that long in this particular race.

History repeats. Ignore all presidential candidates until after the Super Bowl. Politicking for the past year has been mostly irrelevant. Valid contenders are typically not front runners until after the Super Bowl. Any time spent learning, praising, or listening to presidential candidates before Super Bowl was only wasted time.

The leader Giuliani is gone. McCain, who was at the bottom and all but written off, is moving up. Obama was clearly way down in the polls. Surprise, surprise (as Gomer used to say because even Gomer was smarter).

Your question is, "which candidate is moderate?" Which one does not worship extremist liberal or extremist conservative propaganda? Which one would Rush Limbaugh hate? Which one will work for America rather than as George Jr has done? George Jr, who promoted extremism and mythical fears, is supported by 1/3rd of America who love extremism, fear, and 'big dic' solutions. That is the politics – wacko extremism - that has existed too long in the name of political agendas.

Last Monday may have been a benchmark. But nobody will know until long after the Super Bowl.

The Economist demonstrates how bad presidential candidates eventually get weeded out by the system so that we never even need consider them.
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To his fans, [he] was the real thing: pro-life, anti-tax, plain-spoken and unlikely ever to change his mind about anything. ... "There are, apparently, too many illegal aliens, too much welfare and a younger generation that's all "me, me, me". " "Mr Thompson is the best candidate to protect the country", said Mr Wilkes. He must be sad.
Sad? Yes because Thompson promoted the hate and simplistic ignorance that rallies extremists. Those who have been ignoring such wackos can soon begin an intelligent study after the Super Bowl. Irrelevant candidates are being weeded out by their own extremist biases and stupid mistakes. They did not need us to do that for them.

Do we want more extremist politics complete with the hate and unjustified massacre of good American soldiers? Then ask yourself whether he works for America (a moderate who uses intelligence) or is an extremist (who promotes wacko political agendas). Ask yourself whether he will do what George Jr never did. "When do we go after Osama bin Laden?" We know extremists even in the Cellar so hate America as to never ask that question even when challenged.

They fear to ask that question that only moderates would ask. It should be a benchmark question after the Super Bowl.

TheMercenary 01-30-2008 08:03 PM

tw are you drinking alcohol again?

monster 01-30-2008 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheldonrs (Post 428416)
I think they should just set it up so that the candidates have to participate in a debate in every state, starting no sooner than 6 Months before the election.

So you'd rather have 50 small debates than one mass debate?

tw 01-30-2008 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 428639)
tw are you drinking alcohol again?

Its still the oldest thing in my refrigerator. And according to my calendar, it will be there another 356 days.

Ibby 01-30-2008 09:23 PM

:biglaugha

classicman 01-30-2008 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 428663)
Its still the oldest thing in my refrigerator. And according to my calendar, it will be there another 356 days.

Good one - very good! touche'


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