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TheMercenary 12-23-2007 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by slang (Post 418817)
TW? Your comment on the remotely encouraging or positive reports back from Iraq?

Who freaking cares. Another manifesto from tw is not contributing.

Griff 12-23-2007 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibram (Post 418832)
So wait, lemme get this straight...
the brits pull out
the iraqis take over
it goes well
...and bush is right somehow?

My preferred narrative would be that the American and British militaries saved W from his misguided ideas.

xoxoxoBruce 12-23-2007 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 418813)
Well said R.j. I just wish our leaders were willing to acknowlege the complexity before sticking their noses under the tent.

Absolutely. We should have never attacked Iraq. It was a bad idea compounded by bad planning.

That said, it happened and sadly, we broke it. So rather than beating a dead horse, I'd rather look for solutions to the problem.
The few encouraging points of light, (that tw would wrongly call, feel good stories fabricated by the administration... Vietnam, deja vu), seem to be caused by some competent commanders that have their shit together.

Also, the Iraqis seem to have come to the conclusion that the US is not the only outside influence, but the lesser evil and a useful tool in eliminating the others. I think the realize the US will go home, if they can control their country.

It's a clusterfuck, I don't like it, but it is reality.

Griff 12-23-2007 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 418857)
.., seem to be caused by some competent commanders that have their shit together...

I think the key is that those individuals have proven their integrity to the folks they interact with. Pronouncements from Washington are meaningless, but a promise made in country by someone with known integrity and competence could carry the day.

Undertoad 12-23-2007 01:14 PM

Iraqi oil exports are now greater than pre-war levels.

Griff 12-23-2007 01:48 PM

Under the UN's food for oil regime?

Undertoad 12-23-2007 01:58 PM

Yes

TheMercenary 12-23-2007 02:00 PM

And how much goes to the US in our quest for oil since that is why we invaded them, right?

I venture to say little to none compared to pre-war amounts.

xoxoxoBruce 12-23-2007 02:03 PM

Your probably right, but every barrel that goes on the world market creates less competition for what we buy.

TheMercenary 12-23-2007 02:19 PM

Possible, but I still think there are wacko's out there that beleive that we invaded Iraq for oil. Hell we just need to invade Alaska. Wait, we already own it.

classicman 12-23-2007 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 418833)
Another manifesto from tw is not contributing.

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 418877)
Iraqi oil exports are now greater than pre-war levels.

Very interesting and a positive step, but what is the situation with Iraq's own power/electricity generation?

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 418889)
And how much goes to the US in our quest for oil since that is why we invaded them, right?
I venture to say little to none compared to pre-war amounts.

That is even more encouraging.

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 418898)
Possible, but I still think there are wacko's out there that beleive that we invaded Iraq for oil.

Rk's input on this particular topic would be interesting.

xoxoxoBruce 12-23-2007 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 418898)
Possible, but I still think there are wacko's out there that beleive that we invaded Iraq for oil. Hell we just need to invade Alaska. Wait, we already own it.

Pssst. cough canada cough

TheMercenary 12-23-2007 08:14 PM

:D

Let me dust off those ole plans: http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=492

classicman 12-23-2007 10:31 PM

lol

regular.joe 12-24-2007 12:03 AM

That's right we can always blame Canada.


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