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dar512 10-18-2007 09:50 AM

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I don't see what the confusion is. The way I read it there's a traffic light where I drew in red. If a sign on that pole says no right turn on red, then the local authorities consider it a turn and don't want you to go through on red.
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glatt 10-18-2007 10:04 AM

There is no sign.

Flint 10-18-2007 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Kitsune (Post 396567)
There is no "No Right On Red" sign.


Clodfobble 10-18-2007 10:35 AM

Aside from all the other debate... in Texas at least, the middle lane definitely may not turn right on red, ever. Only the far right lane may turn right on red when the situation allows for it.

But we also get to turn left on red, if it's from a one-way street to another one-way street.

SteveDallas 10-18-2007 10:37 AM

Is there a traffic light for the people coming into the intersection from the right side of the picture?

dar512 10-18-2007 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 396609)
There is no sign.

Ah. Misread that.

I'd make the normal right turn on red, then.

monster 10-18-2007 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 396637)
Aside from all the other debate... in Texas at least, the middle lane definitely may not turn right on red, ever. Only the far right lane may turn right on red when the situation allows for it.

But we also get to turn left on red, if it's from a one-way street to another one-way street.

Yeah, we do too. And left from a two-way onto a one way. Yes, I got out my "What Every Driver Must Know" produced by the state of Michigan. It says nothing about having to be in the rightmost lane to make a right on red, though. I've never come across it, I suspect because almost any turn with more than one lane has no right on red signs.

Kitsune 10-18-2007 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveDallas (Post 396640)
Is there a traffic light for the people coming into the intersection from the right side of the picture?

Yeah, the entire intersection is controlled.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clodfobble
in Texas at least, the middle lane definitely may not turn right on red, ever.

I didn't know this and, it seems, Florida has the same law! I guess I've run the red light at this intersection dozens of times. Oops.

http://fox.org/~vince/out/merge.jpg

monster 10-18-2007 01:35 PM

Looking at that reminds me where people here go right on red from the second lane -coming off the freeway at our nearest exit. right turn only, two lanes, both go on red. Never seen a cop bat an eyelid, but I'm always in the RHL because I have an immediate right turn to make.

BigV 10-18-2007 01:54 PM

psst.

Kitsune, call the police.

SteveDallas 10-18-2007 01:59 PM

So what does the light pattern look like? If the part going up and the part going to the left get green lights at the same time, then it's being treated as "straight".

monster 10-18-2007 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BigV (Post 396753)
psst.

Kitsune, call the police.

I thought about that, but what if it is illegal to go right on a red, but no-one's ever drawn their attention to it before.... that intersection'll be swarming with them for months!

Kitsune 10-18-2007 04:56 PM

Here's what the drive south looks like as you approach the intersection. Indeed, after the normal 'red' goes away, green arrows appear, indicating a turn.

http://fox.org/~vince/out/turn.jpg

But...what the hell?

http://fox.org/~vince/out/turn2.jpg

I guess that's a "80% right turn" arrow.

I'll ask the police tomorrow. I'm going to feel really bad if they set up traps the next day.

glatt 10-18-2007 07:11 PM

That 80% right turn arrow is the traffic engineer shrugging his shoulders and saying "damn if I know."

Cloud 10-18-2007 07:35 PM

I think you're right to be confused. Is there much potential for accidents if the signals are not interpreted correctly?

I think I'd write a letter to the local authorities having jurisdiction over your roadway (e.g., City Council or City Traffic Engineer) pointing out they need better signage.

It's hard to say, but I don't think you should turn right on a red in this instance. Especially since you know that there's a green arrow indicating when it's okay to turn.

And unless it's clearly and specifically marked, no, I don't think you can turn from a center lane.

ETA: Here's the Florida Driver Handbook which may provide some guidance. I've found it useful recently to review my state's driver handbook, and I think most of them are online.

Here's another stupid traffic question for you (hope you don't mind, Kitsune): I was told that when driving in a school zone (during designated school hours), you cannot pass another vehicle even in a multi-lane road. Meaning if the school zone says 35 mph, and the person in the lane next to you is going 20 mph, you can only go 20 mph too, in order to avoid passing.

I can't find anthing in the Texas Drivers' Handbook which says this--anyone know the answer?


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