The Cellar
Page 2 of 4 1 2 34
Show 60 post(s) from this thread on one page

The Cellar (http://cellar.org/index.php)
-   Philosophy (http://cellar.org/forumdisplay.php?f=25)
-   -   The doom of the rich, the blessing of the poor (http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=14935)

xoxoxoBruce 07-31-2007 04:43 PM
From the Time link.
Quote:
They caution against broad-brushing a wide spectrum that ranges from pastors who crassly solicit sky's-the-limit financial offerings from their congregations to those whose services tend more toward God-fueled self-help.
From the Christianity Today link.
Quote:
For Osteen, Prosperity Gospel isn't a pejorative term:

"Does God want us to be rich?" he asks. "When I hear that word rich, I think people say, 'Well, he's preaching that everybody's going to be a millionaire.' I don't think that's it." Rather, he explains, "I preach that anybody can improve their lives. I think God wants us to be prosperous. I think he wants us to be happy. To me, you need to have money to pay your bills. I think God wants us to send our kids to college. I think he wants us to be a blessing to other people. But I don't think I'd say God wants us to be rich. It's all relative, isn't it?"
On the other side is the guy whose church rounds out the "largest four" list:

"This idea that God wants everybody to be wealthy?", [Rick] Warren snorts. "There is a word for that: baloney. It's creating a false idol. You don't measure your self-worth by your net worth. I can show you millions of faithful followers of Christ who live in poverty. Why isn't everyone in the church a millionaire?"
No they don't all agree, any more than all of any other religion, or group, for that matter.

rkzenrage 07-31-2007 05:23 PM
Osteen is a boob, have you ever watched him preach? Half the time all he is doing is bragging.

xoxoxoBruce 08-02-2007 07:07 PM
No, I haven't watched him..... or any of the other TV preachers. Since you are not a Christian, why are you watching him?

jester 08-03-2007 10:14 AM
I've watched Joel Osteen several times - most of his sermons are more on the "uplifting" type side - he's an encourager to people. Not to say he doesn't get the basic message across, but he does it without blood vessels popping out on his face and his eyes bugging.

Flint 08-03-2007 10:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 370968)
...
Since you are not a Christian, why are you watching him?
Because people can watch whatever the fuck they want? . . . What are you, the TV Police?

xoxoxoBruce 08-03-2007 07:07 PM
Pipe down, Fido.
I simply asked him why he watches if it bothers him. I don't believe it's required yet.
If he was hitting himself with a hammer, I'd also question that.

Flint 08-03-2007 09:57 PM
???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 371283)
Pipe down, Fido.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wikipedia disambiguation page
  • Fido is a Latin word meaning "I trust"
  • Fog Investigation and Dispersal Operation (FIDO), a fog dispersal system developed in the second world war.
  • Fido is a common name for a pet dog
  • Mark 24 FIDO Torpedo or Mark XXIV mine, a US acoustic homing torpedo used during the Second World War
  • fido.net is an Internet Service Provider
  • Fido Solutions, the Canadian wireless cellphone carrier formerly known as Microcell
  • Flight Dynamics Officer, for whom FIDO is the NASA Mission Control call sign
  • FidoNet is a non-commercial computer network founded by Tom Jennings
  • FIDO was the name of the BBS software developed by Tom Jennings which helped found the FidoNet Bulletin Board network
  • FIDO is a coin classification (Freaks, Irregulars, Defects, Oddities)
  • Claude, nicknamed Fido, from the computer and video game Grand Theft Auto III
  • Fido (film) - a 2007 zombie film.
  • Fido Dido is a cartoon character associated with 7 Up soft drink
  • Fido (Media Downloader) is a free software scheduled media downloader for GNU/Linux.
  • Fido (Band) are a punk/rock band from Melbourne, Australia
  • Fido Explosives Detector is a portable explosives detector used extensively by the military for IED detection and people for explosives residue
  • Fido is a common nickname for the Zimbabwean computer programming activist [Fidelis Gwokuda]
  • FIDO is a military acronym for the phrase "Fuck It, Drive On" or "Forget It, Drive On." Most commonly used in Combat Arms or Special Forces.

xoxoxoBruce 08-03-2007 10:25 PM
#3, junkyard dog in response to a simple question.

Flint 08-03-2007 10:42 PM
Nice of you to "have the guts" to say so.

I repeat my original response: are you the TV Police?

Could it be that you want to "disqualify" people who disagree with you on that particular subject from having an opinion on that particular subject; IE "Why should he have anything to say about that? He's not a member of the club!" ... ??? ...

Everything is a "simple" question, if we all share an identical perspective. But, since we don't, nothing is a "simple" question.

xoxoxoBruce 08-03-2007 10:50 PM
Yes it was a simple question.
It obviously annoys him and he has no reason he has to watch that dork.
I find changing the channel to be 100% effective in those situations. I do it for Dr Phil, that Nun with the eye patch, and of course all that's pornographic.

OK, that last one might be stretching it a little.

Flint 08-03-2007 10:59 PM
I don't know that he doesn't have some reason to watch it. I can say that I don't agree with much of Christian messages, but I can get something out of them, if only that they provide food for thought.

Maybe I'm mulling over my interpretation of the materials, that they are presenting in a different way. Maybe I'm interested in trying to understand how they reached the conclusions they did. Maybe I find a common ground, and realize that we're saying the same things, with different terminology.

Maybe, in the case of a guy who is always talking about the seperation of Church and State, he might have some reason to study the philosophy of the people who will be passing the laws that will get crammed down his throat. That's a likely perspective.

At any rate, I think a wholesale avoidance of things that we disagree with is a horrible policy. So, in that sense, he should be watching the preacher that annoys him. Nobody gets anywhere by staying in their comfort zone, only subjecting themselves to things that they already agree with.

On the other hand, watching a bad example of something you say you disagree with, just to reinforce your objections, isn't exactly productive either.

However you slice it, it isn't a simple question at all. Let me rephrase that: it doesn't have a simple answer.

Sundae 08-04-2007 08:07 AM
Actually, I am the TV Police.
I'm watching what you're watching Flint - watch out.

skysidhe 08-04-2007 09:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jester (Post 371104)
I've watched Joel Osteen several times - most of his sermons are more on the "uplifting" type side - he's an encourager to people. Not to say he doesn't get the basic message across, but he does it without blood vessels popping out on his face and his eyes bugging.
I've watched him once when my mother had him on. He dosn't make me cringe and is mild enough. As you say his messages are on the 'uplifting side' I am pessimisstic enough about TV evangelists to wonder when he too will be corrupted like the rest. I hope not.

xoxoxoBruce 08-04-2007 11:49 AM
Quote:
Let me rephrase that: it doesn't have a simple answer.
If it did, I'd be able to figure it out myself, without asking him.

lumberjim 08-04-2007 12:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flint (Post 371337)
At any rate, I think a wholesale avoidance of things that we disagree with is a horrible policy. So, in that sense, he should be watching the preacher that annoys him. Nobody gets anywhere by staying in their comfort zone, only subjecting themselves to things that they already agree with.
You'll be watching some gay pr0n now, then?


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:35 PM.
Page 2 of 4 1 2 34
Show 60 post(s) from this thread on one page

Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.