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Urbane Guerrilla 07-17-2007 02:16 AM

"Muslin religion" is a particularly interesting if infelicitous typo.

xoxoxoBruce 07-17-2007 08:57 AM

Maybe it wasn't a random typo, maybe God made her type that.

Cloud 07-17-2007 09:12 AM

(whistles nonchalantly). I have no idea what you all are on about. I never make typos! (cough)

Happy Monkey 07-17-2007 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 364770)
Except, rkzen, that as a practical matter people behave better if they credit an afterlife -- one with a connection to this life.

That's not a reason to believe. That's a reason to trick people you don't trust into believing. If you use that reason for yourself, you are trying to trick yourself into believing.

xoxoxoBruce 07-17-2007 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloud (Post 364882)
(cough)

What was that jingling sound?

Cloud 07-17-2007 06:33 PM

the music of the spheres, man!

Perry Winkle 07-17-2007 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage (Post 364773)
[My morals] are ... snip ... my own sense of truth.

So, basically, something you pulled out of your ass. Just like Christianity, Islam, Judaism, ad nauseum.

skysidhe 07-17-2007 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloud (Post 364716)
I personally think the Muslim religion has been twisted by evil men into something it really wasn't intended to be.

Isn't that what happens all round? Men fight for religious rights. Would women?


It makes me wonder if women were the religious leaders if there would be all this chaos and war?

Well maybe chaos at times but I am sure our nesting instinct would take over. I wonder how that would look.

Cloud 07-17-2007 10:56 PM

yes, women would, and have, fought for religious rights. But I don't think they've been involved much in the decision making of the Muslim heirarchy.

the Muslin heirarchy, perhaps.

Urbane Guerrilla 07-18-2007 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 364940)
That's not a reason to believe. That's a reason to trick people you don't trust into believing. If you use that reason for yourself, you are trying to trick yourself into believing.

Whattaya mean, trick? Why would I try and trick myself, do you think? Do you really think I have to? Frankly, I never worry about whether other people have religious faith or not -- though their behavior can certainly give me a clue. My motivation here is utilitarian. The people who credit an afterlife tend to be better behaved, and are taking a larger perspective rather than staying rooted deep in selfishness. Try looking at it from that viewpoint and see if I ain't right on this one, too.

Happy Monkey 07-18-2007 12:29 AM

No, you're not. Whether belief makes someone behave in a certain way has no relationship with whether it is true or not.

Urbane Guerrilla 07-18-2007 12:52 AM

You haven't tried yet, I see. Quit dicking around.

piercehawkeye45 07-18-2007 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 365206)
The people who credit an afterlife tend to be better behaved, and are taking a larger perspective rather than staying rooted deep in selfishness. Try looking at it from that viewpoint and see if I ain't right on this one, too.

How did you get to this, I'm curious?

I have found people who believe in an afterlife and people who don't believe in an afterlife to be perfectly equal morally.

TheMercenary 07-18-2007 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 364781)
"Muslin religion" is a particularly interesting if infelicitous typo.

A true man of the cloth.

yesman065 07-18-2007 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 365259)
How did you get to this, I'm curious?

The movie First Knight (1995) with Sean Connery and Richard Gere.
Little antiquated, but...:eyebrow:


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