it's not that serious or important. I can't drum up the energy to care.

You can look up data if YOU WANT. Vote for who you want too.

My thread was totally silly bs to me. lol

Oh, ok, my bad. I was looking for an exchange of ideas on the subject. My bad.:headshake

Nothing to see here... moving right along.

I am not the sharpest tool in the shed so I'll take that as a compliment that you would think I had many to share of any depth. :)


When Al Gore lost I wept. ( I really did ) and swore my head was going to stay under that perverbial pillow until 'you know who' is out of office.


I have nothing of substance to contribute that would make a lick of difference. Thanks tho!

Unfortunately, I'm more worried about 'duck and cover' than 'head under pillow'.

The US has now publicly embraced a policy of 'preemptive war'. If our rivals and enemies followed suit, then things could get very ugly. For years we've held onto weapons of mass destruction (nuclear, chemical, and biological) and convinced the world we could be trusted to do so by maintaining a defensive posture.

Now everything has changed, and maybe 1/3 of the US and almost noone in the world trusts the current the current administration in terms of honesty, competence, and restraint.

In a sense the 9/11 attacks were a preemptive strike by Al Qaeda and Co. It just back fired on them. Al Gore may have tried some kind of appeasement, or he may have grown a pair and got medieval on there asses.

I seriously doubt that. The majority of people doubted it too. And that is why Micheal Moore and Al "I invented the internet" Gore now make movies.:D

oh believe me. I am only trusting that the next administration is more sensitive to different ideologies than this one has been. Obviously preemtive striking dosn't work.


I am not sure how some people can keep smiling after knowing that this administration has destabilized the middle east.

I read this article yesterday. I thought I'd share it here.
The truth keeps eeking out but some refuse to believe what is right before their eyes.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19378776/

It didn't backfire on Al Qaeda. They got exactly what they wanted. It backfired a bit on their allies of the moment, the Taleban, but I doubt they care all that much about that.

The 9/11 attacks were a stick to the hornet's nest, designed to get us to launch a knee-jerk Holy War.
They've gotten miles of propoganda out of this; we're reacting as if they have actual puppet strings attached to us.

Extremists will do things so that it becomes difficult for intelligent people to remain moderates. It is what Sharon did with his march to desecrate a mosque on Temple Mount; to create Intafada II. It is what the IRA did to promote so much unnecessary violence by all sides in N Ireland. It is what Chavez is doing in Venezuela to promote himself. It is what Hitler did to disparage the bourgeois and intelligencia. The resulting emotion makes intelligent thought difficult. We need only return to the Cellar of 2002 to see that among the many who insisted Saddam was a 'clear and present danger' when no facts existed. Logic was not where support for "Mission Accomplished" came from. That emotion is the extremist's objective.

Same bottom line point made using a completely different perspective.

What else is new?:whofart:

I can totally relate to that y'know. In 1992, in the depths of a deep recession, with unemployment figures going through the roof and Conservative politicians showing absolute lack of any kind of compassion for the newly unemployed (often whole towns died as their industry collapsed); with long roads filled with ForSale signs, and shops gone out of business, it was looking like a Labour win right up til the bitter end.

Only as the exit polls started to come in did it become clear that somehow, despite how badly they'd hurt the country, despite how broken our economy was and how battered our sense of national identity....Conservatives had won again.

Put me off politics for a good couple of years that. Just didn't want to know. Even in '97 when evervybody was predicting a Labour win, I didn't believe it. Was absolutely convinced the country would vote the bastards back in again when it came to the crunch. Total shock when Labour won by a landslide.

Imagining that Sharon went to do anything to desecrate a mosque takes a lot of imagination, and an absolute rejection of any common sense. Also, it takes acute and pernicious antisemitism, tw, which prefries your frontal lobes both left and right. I'd suggest you stop reading Communist, Nazi, and Palestinian websites; they are all too similar.

And right winged sources are diverse?

So far, the right-of-center seem to me the more accurate sources. Accuracy is all that's needed. Everything else is frosting.

Do not reject rightwing sources for being rightwing -- that is the error of the ideologue who has only wet sawdust between the ears (and no diploma). Do not confuse "right of center" for the Wrong Right.

And as I was commenting on Palestinian webpages among others, what is this "right winged sources" BS? Take your time about responding and think, Pierce, rather than contenting yourself with looking stupid. I mean, if you really are stupid, okay -- on several levels. But will that ever persuade anyone to adopt your points of view?