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glatt 04-26-2007 11:36 AM

Damn this article. At the top, it says his problems are that he can't see, can't eat, can't talk, can't breathe, is in pain, and there is no cure. I wrote this big long post listing the reasons why the plug shouldn't be pulled, since the kid isn't in a coma. His symptoms suck, but he is alert. You don't pull the plug on people who are awake.

After writing the big long post, I re-read the article, and it isn't until I see buried in the tail end of the article that the boy "is unaware of his surroundings." In my mind, that is the biggest point, and they bury it. Put it in the first paragraph CNN, you morons.

Anyway, they should pull the plug. Let the poor kid go.

TheMercenary 04-26-2007 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 337487)
This is the worst kind of double-bind conflict for a conservative: taking some of their precious money VS the sanctity of life.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa! :devil:

Maybe someone should just shoot the kid with their handgun - themercenary, you feel up to it? [/cynical sarcasm]

No, but I would gladly turn off the vent if that is the final decision of the team.

tw 04-26-2007 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf (Post 337601)
My mom was full out unconscious the other night, but was still able to grasp and squeeze my fingers with a good deal of strength, however, she was not doing so volitionally.

This entire concept was described by a researcher on this subject in Scientific American - I believe the current and latest issue.

deadbeater 04-27-2007 06:00 PM

If the hospital pulls the plug, the parents can sue for wrongful death.

You want to be 'pro-choice'; well the parents are choosing for the child to live. Let's go to Nazi Germany where several non-Aryan parents had no choice whether their children live or die.

Clodfobble 04-27-2007 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by deadbeater
If the hospital pulls the plug, the parents can sue for wrongful death.

In Texas at least, where this case is, they will not win. There are a dozen cases of precedent.

xoxoxoBruce 04-27-2007 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by deadbeater (Post 338332)
If the hospital pulls the plug, the parents can sue for wrongful death.

You want to be 'pro-choice'; well the parents are choosing for the child to live. Let's go to Nazi Germany where several non-Aryan parents had no choice whether their children live or die.

What the fuck does Nazi Germany have to do with this case. Oh, that's right...nothing.

wolf 04-27-2007 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 338362)
What the fuck does Nazi Germany have to do with this case. Oh, that's right...nothing.

Godwin's Law

xoxoxoBruce 04-27-2007 07:24 PM

Screw Godwin.
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Originally Posted by deadbeater
You want to be 'pro-choice'; well the parents are choosing for the child to live.

The parents are perfectly welcome to take the kid out of the hospital and to a nursing home, private care facility, or home with them. That way the hospital and Doctors can get on with the business of helping people and stop wasting time and resources on a vegetable.

TheMercenary 04-27-2007 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 338368)
Screw Godwin. The parents are perfectly welcome to take the kid out of the hospital and to a nursing home, private care facility, or home with them. That way the hospital and Doctors can get on with the business of helping people and stop wasting time and resources on a vegetable.

Someone please give this dude a trophy.

richlevy 04-28-2007 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Kitsune (Post 337652)
In the Schiavo case, it was easy to see where the situation should fall, legally.

You're kidding, right? Congress and the State of Florida both tried to intervene, so it wasn't easy for a lot of people who should have known better.

tw 04-28-2007 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 338368)
Screw Godwin. The parents are perfectly welcome to take the kid out of the hospital and to a nursing home, private care facility, or home with them.

Which is what happened in the original case (for different reasons): Karen Ann Quinlan and a resulting hospice program .

xoxoxoBruce 04-28-2007 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by richlevy (Post 338643)
You're kidding, right? Congress and the State of Florida both tried to intervene, so it wasn't easy for a lot of people who should have known better.

It was easy for people without a political agenda.


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