They created the monster nevertheless. Israel and the US does nothing to help the people of these countries so the people will do nothing to combat these groups. I have said it before, if we really want to fight this terrorism we will have to help out the people in these countries.

Ever heard of Operation Ajax? Yes, a lot of the problem is the governments of those countries but we are to blame too. We also have done nothing to help these people either.

Who are we? The American people aren't but the American government is partially responsible. It is cause and effect. If we do one thing, they will react in a certain way. I am not brainwashed because I can look at both sides to an issue, I have just picked my side on this issue.

Ok, I just think you understanding is a bit confused. Whatever.

Of course, but that is one small blip on the history of intervention of Western nations in third world countries, at the time, where we had global interests. Persia was but one small front at that time in history. It was not somehow the grand spark for the current hatred of Muslims against Western society. Hell the Arabs and Persian's hate each other. How would that one event explain all of the other problems or the desires of Wahhabism and its goal of expansionist thinking? It cannot.

There are others like it.

Why do you like to try to force me to an extremist view when I don't have that?

I don't have an extremist view either. I am not forcing you into anything.

Al-Qaeda ‘planning big British attack’

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1687360.ece

Merc, al-Qaeda are always planning something or another. It is up to the US, England and others to counter them, or eliminate the threat entirely in a way that doesn't create more terrorists in turn. I must say that Bush is the biggest recruiter of terrorists.

The only way the americans would not recruit terrorists is to surrender and kill themselves.

No, there are more effective ways, better than what America is doing and certainly better than what Russia is doing re Chechyans.

Like what?

Such as

1) not attacking another country, diluting resorces in the process, and in so doing creating a vacuum filled by the enemy.

2) Not attacking schools, then crying why the terrorists are attacking your schools in return.

How many muslim nations and schools did america invade that caused the 9/11 attacks?

Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Egypt, Iraq Mk. I (actually that probably didnt piss them off a whole lot, they didn't like Saddam any more than we did)...

Osama used to be our friend against the Reds in Afghanistan. Then he asked us nicely if we could kinda pull out of some musilm holy land, like in saudi arabia.

We said "FUCK YOU COCKSUCKER!" and ignored him.
He got pissed.


I'm not saying he's right, but theres the motivation right there.

When did the americans invade saudi arabia, pakistan and egypt?

Sort through this. A timeline of US intervention in other countries since 1945.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Bl...ns_WBlumZ.html

Edit- This is at 1999 so it won't have post 9/11 interventions.